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Post by Tomas on Apr 24, 2018 14:24:05 GMT
The little boy´s life-line got turned off last night. It did not help that many thousands were pleading for his release. Pope Francis had offered help from highest level. Italian state had promised him citizenship. But some in the NHS apparently said no...
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Apr 24, 2018 15:32:15 GMT
It's hard to fathom how they can object to letting him be moved to an Italian hospital. If they think his case is hopeless anyway, what's the obstacle?
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Post by optatuscleary on Apr 24, 2018 15:51:54 GMT
I once took a class on “Philosophy and the Law,” taught by a hard-core euthanasia supporter. I was the only person in the class (at a Catholic university, by the way) who could see any reason not to kill patients in vegetative states. The strangest argument I heard, but which everyone in the class seemed to agree with, was “we don’t know if their person would have wanted to be kept alive, so we should euthanize just in case it’s what the person would have wanted.” This argument, which got enthusiastic support from the students and even the “philosopher” teaching the class. It was the most horrifying thing I’ve ever encountered. I had been about to make the argument that, even if we accept euthanasia when the person is known to desire it, we should err on the side of life when we don’t. But these people, every one of them, believed strongly in erring on the side of death. The idea of keeping someone alive who wants to die was horrific to them, while the idea of killing someone who wants to live was hardly a concern.
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Post by Tomas on Apr 24, 2018 17:48:40 GMT
I once took a class on “Philosophy and the Law,” taught by a hard-core euthanasia supporter. I was the only person in the class (at a Catholic university, by the way) who could see any reason not to kill patients in vegetative states. The strangest argument I heard, but which everyone in the class seemed to agree with, was “we don’t know if their person would have wanted to be kept alive, so we should euthanize just in case it’s what the person would have wanted.” This argument, which got enthusiastic support from the students and even the “philosopher” teaching the class. It was the most horrifying thing I’ve ever encountered. I had been about to make the argument that, even if we accept euthanasia when the person is known to desire it, we should err on the side of life when we don’t. But these people, every one of them, believed strongly in erring on the side of death. The idea of keeping someone alive who wants to die was horrific to them, while the idea of killing someone who wants to live was hardly a concern. Oh my, that was "culture of death" in full flight, and on a presumably civilisational level at that. Good you held your peace and made an effort to state a solid argument in that class. Maybe someone could remember that you did so, one day. What can be done otherwise? |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Apr 26, 2018 9:33:36 GMT
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Post by Tomas on Apr 26, 2018 19:56:04 GMT
Would the fast military helicopter route to Italy be more risky than dying in this way? Fails me too how it could be contrary to Mercy. |
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Post by Tomas on Apr 28, 2018 11:55:48 GMT
R.I.P.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Apr 28, 2018 12:01:43 GMT
I hope Alder Hey hospital gets renamed KILLER Hey hospital.
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Post by Tomas on Apr 28, 2018 12:03:20 GMT
Terrible story indeed.
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Post by seangladium on Apr 28, 2018 14:02:45 GMT
This whole story makes me incredibly angry, but I am not surprised as my own family received similar callous treatment at an NHS hospital when my daughter was born at one. Just terrible; rest in peace little Alfie!
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