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Post by Maolsheachlann on Dec 9, 2018 17:30:17 GMT
Sometimes you hear people say that, if you think your country should admit refugees and immigrants, you should be willing to let them into your own home or else you are a hypocrite.
Opponents of abortion are often told that they are pro-birth rather than pro-life if they are not willing to take care of the babies who are not aborted, or to personally contribute to their care.
One often sees the slogan: "Be the change you would like to see in the world." It's often attributed to Gandhi but I don't think he actually said it.
Are these fair criticisms? Is it really possible to "be the change you want to see in the world" in every case or even most cases?
It seems to me that, in a democracy (or even in any other system), it's legitimate to think people should have opinions on what collective actions should be taken and how collective resources should be spent. Not everything can be tackled on an individual level.
Interestingly, one rarely hears the argument that one shouldn't complain about homelessness unless one is willing to put up a homeless person in your house.
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Post by cato on Dec 9, 2018 18:58:48 GMT
Why don't all the caring and compassionate types who voted Yes in May not fund the abortions of those who can't afford them instead of forcing every tax payer to provide this "free service"?
The type of argument Maolsheachlann refered to above is just a device to shut people up imho.
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Post by Tomas on Dec 10, 2018 10:17:20 GMT
Such offsprings to collective blame and punishment appears like an epitome of unfair politics. Convenient rubbish if they cannot come up with good arguments on the idea level.
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Post by assisi on Dec 10, 2018 20:18:46 GMT
The reality of this is that you could take in a big bearded refugee or vagrant and then find him wandering around at night in your house opening the door to your children's rooms.
Unlikely perhaps, but who would take the risk?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Dec 10, 2018 22:36:30 GMT
The reality of this is that you could take in a big bearded refugee or vagrant and then find him wandering around at night in your house opening the door to your children's rooms. Unlikely perhaps, but who would take the risk? Indeed! We have government for a reason. I've never heard anyone say: "You want a fire brigade? Why don't you go around putting out fires yourself?" "You want an accident and emergency unit? Why don't you treat injuries in your living room yourself?" "You want street lighting? Why don't you put up a lamp outside your own house?"
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Post by Tomas on Dec 11, 2018 9:27:26 GMT
Regarding mass immigration there is also the factor that those decisions that made it happen were taken on a level far above any individual consideration. Whether politicians then ask their voters or not does not matter much. If they only ask them decades AFTER all has happened it is like a story where someone (individual) exposed as guilty of some sin proved degrading to society (individual-collective) in haste denies everything and shuffles over all responsability to another (collective-preferably abstract collective).
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