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Post by kj on Jul 16, 2019 11:47:13 GMT
But, but, but....we've got abortion now, and a gay Taoiseach, and enormous immigrant numbers, and the Church is dead and gone. Why, oh why, aren't these women in ecstasy? I just don't understand! Young Irish women depression |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 16, 2019 12:05:08 GMT
"The report stated that 17 per cent of Irish women aged 15-24 are at risk of developing symptoms associated with depression, nearly twice the number of young Irish men who are at risk."
I'm not trying to be glib about such a sensitive and serious topic, and it's not a competition, but it does beg the question of why male suicide levels are so much higher than those of women.
To really interpret this study one would have to have some historical background. Are young women today more or less depressed than they were twenty, forty, fifty, sixty years today? Most of us would guess "more", which would seem to belie some of the "usual suspects" explanations given in the article-- sexism, sexual harrassment, etc. But not the pressure to be beautiful and ever-young, which is a more recent phenomenon.
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Post by cato on Jul 16, 2019 13:18:24 GMT
"The report stated that 17 per cent of Irish women aged 15-24 are at risk of developing symptoms associated with depression, nearly twice the number of young Irish men who are at risk." I'm not trying to be glib about such a sensitive and serious topic, and it's not a competition, but it does beg the question of why male suicide levels are so much higher than those of women. To really interpret this study one would have to have some historical background. Are young women today more or less depressed than they were twenty, forty, fifty, sixty years today? Most of us would guess "more", which would seem to belie some of the "usual suspects" explanations given in the article-- sexism, sexual harrassment, etc. But not the pressure to be beautiful and ever-young, which is a more recent phenomenon. It's a big topic and one that has preoccupied me for many years. Speaking in broad terms I think women are more emotionally strong and resilient. I suspect this is linked to biology which I realise is secular heresy. Women tend to be more social and talk out their concerns. In broad terms young men historically are much more vulnerable to violent death usually in warfare. Our age is unusual in that , at least in the west, violent combat death is uncommon. There may be something linked to biology that makes young men prone to impulsive risky or aggressive behaviour. I reject the notion this is all socially conditioned. Straight white young men are in some ways the whipping boys of a pc culture. They are condemned as potential rapists and are often discriminated against in jobs for reasons beyond their control. I believe we need to teach resilience and a certain Christian stoicism to all our young people but boys in particular. I have several young nieces and pressure to be beautiful ,and to be perfect exact a heavy toll on girls. This was always the case but the corrupting influence of "smart" phones (a euphemism if there ever was one) makes life unbearable for many who are unable to detect the falseness and emptiness of the mirage of modern glamourous deception. |
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Post by Séamus on Jul 17, 2019 8:23:41 GMT
"The report stated that 17 per cent of Irish women aged 15-24 are at risk of developing symptoms associated with depression, nearly twice the number of young Irish men who are at risk." I'm not trying to be glib about such a sensitive and serious topic, and it's not a competition, but it does beg the question of why male suicide levels are so much higher than those of women. To really interpret this study one would have to have some historical background. Are young women today more or less depressed than they were twenty, forty, fifty, sixty years today? Most of us would guess "more", which would seem to belie some of the "usual suspects" explanations given in the article-- sexism, sexual harrassment, etc. But not the pressure to be beautiful and ever-young, which is a more recent phenomenon. A similar study,I think in Western Australia,mentioned that,while young females attempt suicide more often,young males make more 'successful' attempts,due to using more violent (and 'ernest',if you like) methods. Details weren't given,but I've heard of people who have survived deliberate overdoses,for example,who were actually more ambivalent about survival than absolutely determined to die. Still- all- male or female- would hopefully receive the help needed. Even, granted things like this weren't always discussed or understood years ago,I'm always amazed at how common natal depressions seem today compared to,for example, my grandmothers' time,considering the huge families (11 births in my mother's mother's case)little money,economy with the basic necessities,no help at home until,say, my mother was old enough to help, husbands paid little and working longer by our standard,no chance of personal careers(if such a thing entered their head.) I suppose there's some explanation(apart from them being too busy to ever be depressed )..... |
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Post by cato on Jul 19, 2019 12:48:42 GMT
Fr Benedict Groeschel who worked as a psychologist as well as a priest pointed out the most disadvantaged groups in the USA were 1) Black 2) Female 3) Retired .
He then reported the happiest single group of US citizens were old black women!One of the main reasons for this was their membership of and close involvement in black churches.
Objectively people in general should be much happier in an age were we live longer , have more choices, are freer and generally are better off. Human beings are not simply rational however. We all know people who have it all and yet who are full of misery and self pity. Similarly we may know people with very little and who have been dealt a poor deck of cards by life but who remain serene and happy.
What is missing from all our modern obsession with happiness and rights is the need for meaning , structure and discipline. Perhaps a female Jordan Peterson will point out how hollow a vision that a feminism that consists of copying and competing with men is. A narrow confrontational feminism that pits women against their fertility and motherhood cannot but bring disappointment and unhappiness.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 19, 2019 14:05:56 GMT
What is missing from all our modern obsession with happiness and rights is the need for meaning , structure and discipline. I don't think it could be put better than that! |
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