Post by assisi on Jun 18, 2017 12:46:59 GMT
I would be interested to know what term people would use to describe, in as pithy, memorable and evocative way, the general anti-conservative movement that is currently dictating culture in the West.
When I first started reading Desmond Fennell he would call that movement 'consumerist liberalism' which I considered as good a summation term as there was. However things have progressed since then.
Supranational powers like the European Union actively seek more centralised power over the sovereignty of their member states. Climate change and other movements are worldwide. Is a term involving the word ‘globalist’ therefore appropriate?
The emergence of more centralised national governments. The denial of free speech in many universities. The legislation aimed at criminalising some opinions as ‘hate speech’. The pursuance of an equality agenda that is draconian rather than sensible. The demonization of Christianity and the traditional family. The scapegoating of white males. The idea of a utopia if policies are eventually fulfilled and the opposition sidelined or eradicated. The use of media, academia and multinationals to spread the message and the propaganda and marginalise any opposing views. Are we talking about ‘marxism’. Some commentators have noted that in the current form of marxism the old economic basis of the workers have been replaced by the identity politics groupings such as gays, extreme feminists, islamists and migrants. They use these group to destroy the existing culture and make way for their new order.
However if a type of neo-marxism or cultural marxism is appropriate how do we view the power of the multinationals and the consumerist package that is to distract the proles and is also supposed to maximise their pleasure/leisure of the new ‘godless’ society?
Does this contradict using the term marxism?
Or is the ultimate end more simple? From a human viewpoint is their true goal to render us all neurotic individuals who depend on government for advice, multinationals for entertainment and pleasure and multinationals again for drugs to help us eventually cope with our resultant anxiety and depression?
I believe that finding that correct terminology is very important. In my experience when talking to your everyday political correct people who don’t think about culture or politics too deeply, it is easy to lose this audience when using a variety of terms like secularism, liberalism, progressivism….the terms are legion and some are contradictory and don’t pin things down conclusively. If they however use terms like fascist, racist etc, they are hitting conservatives with linguistic and emotive knock- out blows even if the terms have no basis in reality.
In short I believe we are losing the ‘slogan’ war and not defining the evils of the opposition well enough. This is not all our fault as it is difficult to summarise such a diffuse movement in a phrase. For my part I don’t wish to give them the terms ‘liberal’ or ‘progressive’ as they are arguably neither of these sometimes positive things in reality or practice.
What would your most accurate or favourite term be? Could you come up with at least 2 terms that describe that movement.? A politically/cultural descriptive term and a slightly derogatory one that shows the madness of their ideology? It would be interesting to see if we will have a consensus, but give it a try and have fun.
Example below:
1. Politically/cultural descriptive term:
Neo-Marxists; Global Consumerists; Secular materialists
.
2. Derogatory term:
‘Lunatic Left’; ‘Godless Globalists’ ; ‘Neurotic Left’; Decadent Left.
When I first started reading Desmond Fennell he would call that movement 'consumerist liberalism' which I considered as good a summation term as there was. However things have progressed since then.
Supranational powers like the European Union actively seek more centralised power over the sovereignty of their member states. Climate change and other movements are worldwide. Is a term involving the word ‘globalist’ therefore appropriate?
The emergence of more centralised national governments. The denial of free speech in many universities. The legislation aimed at criminalising some opinions as ‘hate speech’. The pursuance of an equality agenda that is draconian rather than sensible. The demonization of Christianity and the traditional family. The scapegoating of white males. The idea of a utopia if policies are eventually fulfilled and the opposition sidelined or eradicated. The use of media, academia and multinationals to spread the message and the propaganda and marginalise any opposing views. Are we talking about ‘marxism’. Some commentators have noted that in the current form of marxism the old economic basis of the workers have been replaced by the identity politics groupings such as gays, extreme feminists, islamists and migrants. They use these group to destroy the existing culture and make way for their new order.
However if a type of neo-marxism or cultural marxism is appropriate how do we view the power of the multinationals and the consumerist package that is to distract the proles and is also supposed to maximise their pleasure/leisure of the new ‘godless’ society?
Does this contradict using the term marxism?
Or is the ultimate end more simple? From a human viewpoint is their true goal to render us all neurotic individuals who depend on government for advice, multinationals for entertainment and pleasure and multinationals again for drugs to help us eventually cope with our resultant anxiety and depression?
I believe that finding that correct terminology is very important. In my experience when talking to your everyday political correct people who don’t think about culture or politics too deeply, it is easy to lose this audience when using a variety of terms like secularism, liberalism, progressivism….the terms are legion and some are contradictory and don’t pin things down conclusively. If they however use terms like fascist, racist etc, they are hitting conservatives with linguistic and emotive knock- out blows even if the terms have no basis in reality.
In short I believe we are losing the ‘slogan’ war and not defining the evils of the opposition well enough. This is not all our fault as it is difficult to summarise such a diffuse movement in a phrase. For my part I don’t wish to give them the terms ‘liberal’ or ‘progressive’ as they are arguably neither of these sometimes positive things in reality or practice.
What would your most accurate or favourite term be? Could you come up with at least 2 terms that describe that movement.? A politically/cultural descriptive term and a slightly derogatory one that shows the madness of their ideology? It would be interesting to see if we will have a consensus, but give it a try and have fun.
Example below:
1. Politically/cultural descriptive term:
Neo-Marxists; Global Consumerists; Secular materialists
.
2. Derogatory term:
‘Lunatic Left’; ‘Godless Globalists’ ; ‘Neurotic Left’; Decadent Left.
