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Post by Tomas on Jun 19, 2017 13:43:01 GMT
I would be interested to know what term people would use to describe, in as pithy, memorable and evocative way, the general anti-conservative movement that is currently dictating culture in the West. Example below: 1. Politically/cultural descriptive term:Neo-Marxists; Global Consumerists; Secular materialists . 2. Derogatory term:
‘Lunatic Left’; ‘Godless Globalists’ ; ‘Neurotic Left’; Decadent Left.All three politically/culturally descriptive terms above covers a lot. Maybe also: 1. Politically/cultural descriptive terms: Global Modernists. 2. Derogatory term: Anti-humane exploiters. |
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Post by MourningIreland on Jun 19, 2017 13:46:11 GMT
Here is how the Wikipedia entry on social justice begins: Social justice is the fair and just relation between the individual and society. This is measured by the explicit and tacit terms for the distribution of wealth, opportunities for personal activity and social privileges.I became enamoured with Donald Trump when I listened to his campaign speeches and found that his policies were centered squarely on the millions of workers who had been harmed by the structural problems caused by globalism, and his plans to remedy the same. His concern for the way America's veterans are treated and the social problems in her inner cities, which disproportionately effect minorities and the poor, were equally as compelling to me. So my answer to you is - if you want to hear about conservatism and social justice, listen to Trump's speeches and review his policies. Thanks MourningIreland. That makes sense. I don´t see it from an American perspective myself but it seems from outside like a fairly strong part of his votes came from anti-globalists and if so that would be fine in many ways. Hopefully the topic of conservatism and social justice, being much greater than our present days´ business, may find more "common ground" in both philosophy and politics. If you look at Steve Bannon's interviews on Youtube you will find more about the anti-globalist movement. It is Trump's embrace of Bannon's ideals that enabled him to convert the American voters and win the election. The traditional Left/Right and Democrat/Republican paradigms are largely an illusion - the real battle, unfolding worldwide, is between Nationalism and Globalism. As someone else on this forum said recently, in Ireland we have no centre right party, only various shades of left. |
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Post by Tomas on Jun 19, 2017 14:01:36 GMT
I am not inclined to get into studying the current political trends but only try (and fail) to see the subject in the broadest sense. Older philosophy might perhaps be a better thing for my part.
Added later when viewing back on this thread in late August: since politics always tends to get difficult to follow, and Bannon no longer is in the major ship at Trump´s side, can one hope the impact of his social justice vision or themes of Catholic social teaching has not left the ship as well, turning over to some different shady neo-globalism instead?
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Post by assisi on Dec 17, 2020 14:40:39 GMT
Revisiting this thread after several years, things have moved on even more with regard to what is happening in the world. Perhaps it wouldn't be a big jump anymore to say that the problem can be summarised as Humanity v The Machine. On one side we have the people who see fulfillment as living in harmony with our design, with human values of God, family, community, tradition and order. On the other side is a desire to change our design, alongside a rootlessness, where there are no nations, no traditions and only the capacity to consume material things and give total subservience to government - maybe even change your body or eventually have technological gadgetry implanted in your body. A robot or android of sorts. Therefore my slightly ironic acronym for the 'machine side' would be to call them 'PLUGS' ( Progressive Left/ Liberal Utopian Globalist s) The added advantage of the word PLUGS is that it conjures up a technological appliance that reflects their dehumanised trajectory.  |
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Post by Tomas on Dec 17, 2020 20:28:50 GMT
PLUGS is accurate in those terms. Regarding AI that is something I´ve heard divergent views about from Conservatives. To experiment with human beings would be entirely evil, but using it smart would be no big deal according to some. I don´t believe it´s a good idea myself. There are enough examples in history of "bright" inventions let loose, unwisely before considered where it leads rather than after doing that decisive analysis. Systems based on nuclear power were dubious from the beginning imo. Pandora boxes tend to be easier to open than to close.
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Post by cato on Dec 18, 2020 16:25:20 GMT
It's hard to understand the short sightedness of those who wish to create artificial intelligence, abolish paper currencies , in fact most of the so called progressive hobby horses.
Locally our elites want to abolish direct provision for refugees but get offended when when the governments own housing department reported this would mean they would be directly competing with Irish people, many of whom have been waiting for years for social housing.
Liberals/progressives often appear unable to join the dots when it comes to the negative and unforseen consequences of their deconstructing of traditional society.
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