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Post by cato on Jun 19, 2017 18:30:41 GMT
Sarah Slater in today's Irish Independent has an article on the death of the former nun and married partner of the current minister for children and pro-abortion zealot Katherine Zappone.
Dublin city university apologised for an e mail sent by a former member of staff who used the term "disorder" in relation to their sexual relationship and who hoped minister Zappone may regain her faith and return to God.
DCU denounced the e mail as "offensive".
Perhaps it was insensitively timed . Dr Ann Louise Gilligan a former theology lecturer was cremated on Saturday following a humanist ceremony at the Helix auditorium in DCU. At least she didn t have a funeral mass organised with people tripping over each other saying how catholic and inspiring she was.
May her soul and the souls of all the faithful departed rest in peace.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 19, 2017 18:38:45 GMT
Amen. Certainly was insensitively timed but this subject is close to my heart, looking forward to this discussion.
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Post by Stephen on Jun 20, 2017 7:56:24 GMT
Dublin city university apologised for an email sent by a former member of staff who used the term "disorder" in relation to their sexual relationship and who hoped minister Zappone may regain her faith and return to God. Political correctness is a virus to society much like ecumenism to the church. It needs to be eradicated. In a spirit of such, Dr Ann Louise Gilligan sexual actions were intrinsically disordered, to mention only one and if she died without the sacrament of reconciliation will condemn herself to Hell (a state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed). "but woe to that man by whom the Son of man shall be betrayed: it were better for him if that man had not been born". |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 20, 2017 8:36:07 GMT
Political correctness is one thing, but I think we should show charity and sensitivity.
We can't say who is in Hell. We can't know the degree of culpability or awareness a person has for their sins. There are extraodinary means of absolution at God's disposal.
You are free to state the teaching of the Church, but for my part I definitely don't think the death of a human being should be an occasion for anything except sympathy and prayers.
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Post by assisi on Jun 20, 2017 10:22:33 GMT
I do think we need to recognise the culture in which political correctness has evolved and flourished. Talk about mental health issues are far more prevalent now than they were before. Suicide, self harm, eating disorders, depression, addiction and anxiety all appear to be on the increase among young people and adults. So the fear is that you or I could say something hurtful, or even just express a hard truth, and run the risk of pushing people over the edge and towards some disorder.
I think that parents, for example, are unsure how they should deal with adolescents who persistently misbehave in some way. Face the problem, punish the act, let it go and hope that they will grow out of it? But for most parents there lurks the fear that any prolonged tough love approach may lead to something unspeakable like suicide and many tend to relent on any punishment.
The irony of all this is that much of the mental illness rife in society is actually partly caused by truth and common sense being suppressed and an exclusive dependence on a materialistic lifestyle approach that promises more happiness and perfection than can ever be legitimately experienced by an individual.
I think in dealing at a high level with things like politics, societal trends, morals, the arts we can legitimately state our truths and beliefs. At a personal level, when we are dealing with a person or persons sitting in front of us we need to express ourselves more sensitively and choose our words carefully. And, we should remember that we too are individuals and should get respectfully listened to as well.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 20, 2017 10:56:16 GMT
Good points, Assisi. I believe that, although we have a lot of therapeutic language on one hand, on the other hand society has become harsher in many ways. For instance, comedy can be much darker and more savage now than it might have been in previous generations.
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Post by MourningIreland on Jun 20, 2017 13:03:19 GMT
This case raises important questions. I won't discuss the content or timing of the communication because I think more important matters are at stake:
From what I read, the man who sent this email is a retired academic. Given his likely age group, it is reasonable to presume he is financially secure.
What if this man had been a staff member? Would he have been fired from his job for these comments? Would he then be deemed unemployable?
What about practising Catholics in the workforce who hold views in line with the Magesterium on the subjects of abortion and same-sex marriage, but who do not send an email like this? If they don't put these views in writing will their jobs be safe? What if in a conversation with colleagues they are asked point-blank what their views are, and they give them honestly, but the listener finds their views homophobic and/or misogynistic?
There are four stages of religious oppression:
1. Mockery
2. Ridicule/demonisation
3. Regulation
4. Persecution
In the world of Father Ted we were at Stage One. We are much further along now. The Daintree Paper case (Paul Barnes) for one, and the language employed against anyone who vocally opposed the last referendum, and anyone who vocally opposes the upcoming one.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 20, 2017 13:11:20 GMT
I work in UCD. I sent an email of protest to both the head of Equality and Diversity and the President of UCD himself when an exhibition celebrating the advent of gay marriage (amongst other "achievements" by the gay community) was put up immediately outside my place of work. To do him justice, the President actually gave a thoughtful and courteous reply. One of the things he mentioned was that he refused to officially condemn Donald Trump or Israel despite pressure from within the university to do so.
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Post by MourningIreland on Jun 20, 2017 13:16:04 GMT
I work in UCD. I sent an email of protest to both the head of Equality and Diversity and the President of UCD himself when an exhibition celebrating the advent of gay marriage (amongst other "achievements" by the gay community) was put up immediately outside my place of work. To do him justice, the President actually gave a thoughtful and courteous reply. One of the things he mentioned was that he refused to officially condemn Donald Trump or Israel despite pressure from within the university to do so. You and this President have ball$. This country needs thousands more with your courage. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 20, 2017 13:21:33 GMT
If I was an academic, or if I was in the private sector, I would probably be more cautious. But I do think that people need to speak out more, one way or the other. The Overton Window is about two inches wide in Ireland.
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Post by MourningIreland on Jun 20, 2017 13:26:56 GMT
I work in UCD. I sent an email of protest to both the head of Equality and Diversity and the President of UCD himself when an exhibition celebrating the advent of gay marriage (amongst other "achievements" by the gay community) was put up immediately outside my place of work. To do him justice, the President actually gave a thoughtful and courteous reply. One of the things he mentioned was that he refused to officially condemn Donald Trump or Israel despite pressure from within the university to do so. I think that in the US this issue is reaching critical mass. Advocacy groups like FIRE (Foundation for Individual Rights in Education) and National Association of Scholars have been around for a long time, but the issue only galvanised in my view under Milo's transformational leadership. The thuggish tactics used against brave academics like Robert Oscar Lopez have a definite chilling effect, but I think the Left has overplayed their hand and the tide is starting to turn at the grassroots/community level if not yet at the universities: www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/06/19/st-louis-cardinals-refuse-bow-lgbt-demands-punish-christians/ |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 20, 2017 13:29:55 GMT
This is why I would defend Milo from both right and left. The left think he's a fascist. The right think he's trivial and superficial. But it was Milo who was really the lightning rod, the battering ram. I think he's great.
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Post by MourningIreland on Jun 20, 2017 13:37:33 GMT
This is why I would defend Milo from both right and left. The left think he's a fascist. The right think he's trivial and superficial. But it was Milo who was really the lightning rod, the battering ram. I think he's great. I am a big fan as well. I said on many occasions that he was going to prove to be the most transformative figure in American conservatism since Bill Buckley. I'm really sorry I didn't get to hear him speak when he was here. He was one of our greatest weapons against the Neo-fascist Left, but I must admit I was disappointed in how he left himself open to attack and have not been paying too much attention since his implosion. Still, Milo has a great deal of good will built up with me. Anyone who has watched him knows he is brilliant, and he will no doubt be back in the fray at some point. |
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Post by cato on Jun 21, 2017 10:06:26 GMT
I accidently came across the canadian academic Jordan Peterson on You tube a few days ago. If you need a boost give him a try. He's smart passionate direct and witty. Needless to say he is not politically correct but neither is he crudely abusive. He comes across as someone with good old fashioned manners and respect .
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Post by cato on Jun 24, 2017 10:38:18 GMT
There is an interesting obituary in the Irish Times today for Dr Ann Louise Gilligan which charts her career from the convent to community activism ,radical feminism,and liberal theology. Her role as a lecturer in a catholic teacher training college was a clear example on the rot that was occuring in Irish catholicism and specifically its educational establishment in recent decades.
Somewhat ironically the late Des Hanifan a doughty defender of traditional moral values also has an obituary on the same page. May he rest in peace.
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