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Post by Tomas on Nov 16, 2020 21:49:06 GMT
As we sooner than we can say might close in to the great Global prime time campaigns of pressure on "mandatory vaccine to help your fellow men". What are the pros and cons in general? Which may have some good in them, and which has not? Would you submit only because State or Deep State manouvers tries to force you to swallow the thing, by threats of ruining you economically, without regard to what it will do to heart, brain, conscience, and soul? Is it enough that Bill Gates suggests he thinks it´s a bright idea if everyone on the whole planet submitted this his suggestions, or that Vladimir Putin´s daughter announces she feels just fine after a fresh injection? Could you prevail in counter emotional pressure from family, friends, colleagues to "do as we all must do, some good" i.e. take in new vaccines in our bodies? If the last three ones were deliberately unmature wordings, could someone come to some practical or ethical aid regarding the first two please. Also especially on what can be known concerning the way the various vaccines are produced. Guarantees for not containing cells from the murdered children, or any other troublesome features that might be popping up.
Thanks in advance.
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Post by assisi on Nov 16, 2020 22:28:57 GMT
As we sooner than we can say might close in to the great Global prime time campaigns of pressure on "mandatory vaccine to help your fellow men". What are the pros and cons in general? Which may have some good in them, and which has not? Would you submit only because State or Deep State manouvers tries to force you to swallow the thing, by threats of ruining you economically, without regard to what it will do to heart, brain, conscience, and soul? Is it enough that bill Gates suggests he thinks it´s a bright idea if everyone on the whole planet submitted this his suggestions, or that Vladimir Putin´s daughter announces she feels just fine after a fresh injection? Could you prevail in counter emotional pressure from family, friends, colleagues to "do as we all must do, some good" i.e. take in new vaccines in our bodies? If the last three ones were deliberately unmature wordings, could someone come to some practical or ethical aid regarding the first two please. Also especially on what can be known concerning the way the various vaccines are produced. Guarantees for not containing cells from the murdered children, or any other troublesome features that might be popping up. Thanks in advance. Just like the flu virus, the coronavirus will probably adapt every year and therefore require a new injection every October or so. One thing to bear in mind is that the effectiveness of the flu vaccine. On a good year it can be 70% effective. On a bad year it can go down to 30% effective or less. That means in a good year 30% of people who got the flu vaccine went on to catch the flu. Something similar will happen with coronavirus as it adapts, some people who will receive the vaccine may unfortunately catch the virus, perhaps asymptomatically or they may get sick - anyway the bottom line is that even if you have the vaccine there is still a danger that you could catch the virus and get sick (maybe less sick depending on how the vaccine works) and presumably have the potential to spread it to others. |
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Post by Tomas on Nov 16, 2020 23:34:13 GMT
As we sooner than we can say might close in to the great Global prime time campaigns of pressure on "mandatory vaccine to help your fellow men". What are the pros and cons in general? Which may have some good in them, and which has not? Would you submit only because State or Deep State manouvers tries to force you to swallow the thing, by threats of ruining you economically, without regard to what it will do to heart, brain, conscience, and soul? Is it enough that bill Gates suggests he thinks it´s a bright idea if everyone on the whole planet submitted this his suggestions, or that Vladimir Putin´s daughter announces she feels just fine after a fresh injection? Could you prevail in counter emotional pressure from family, friends, colleagues to "do as we all must do, some good" i.e. take in new vaccines in our bodies? If the last three ones were deliberately unmature wordings, could someone come to some practical or ethical aid regarding the first two please. Also especially on what can be known concerning the way the various vaccines are produced. Guarantees for not containing cells from the murdered children, or any other troublesome features that might be popping up. Thanks in advance. Just like the flu virus, the coronavirus will probably adapt every year and therefore require a new injection every October or so. One thing to bear in mind is that the effectiveness of the flu vaccine. On a good year it can be 70% effective. On a bad year it can go down to 30% effective or less. That means in a good year 30% of people who got the flu vaccine went on to catch the flu. Something similar will happen with coronavirus as it adapts, some people who will receive the vaccine may unfortunately catch the virus, perhaps asymptomatically or they may get sick - anyway the bottom line is that even if you have the vaccine there is still a danger that you could catch the virus and get sick (maybe less sick depending on how the vaccine works) and presumably have the potential to spread it to others. Thus the bottom line is that we might tone down the hype? Not be scared to death a new Emperor will impose it, least not everywhere and only in the very unlikely case a miraculous medicine one minute bumps down out of nowhere right in the hands of the "Global Peace Corporation Inc" and their friends - ready to go for the Winter Festival/early the next year? Wait for a "good" vaccine to be developed some day, at normal time span despite the 2020 extreme motivations to make haste, not to buy up all the first marketed versions now pumping out ads about more than 90% effective already (who would know that anyway) or making any at all desperate campaigns for "mandatory vaccine for the entire population whatever the citizens might think about it". Nothing of that probable outside of torture chambers, political prisons and the like, then, but of course worse than bad enough if that was what actually do happen in such dungeons though! I almost get disturbed like a lunatic finding people of even normal disposition going compliant like they were holy numbers in a DDR folk inventory, close to adapted to a delusion, believing they are absolutely helping their fellow brothers and sisters simply by taking the vaccines and urging others to do the same. "Yes, it would be some much more effective if we all took it... This one is the best we can take ('so said a friend of mine who works at the hospital with Dr. C')... Think of others and not yourself... Help to fight the diseases, don´t bother about the potential risks... Listen to science..." To the last remark, if not to the other jingles, at least I am more than willing to listen. But then I know very well that the phrase is a fake one. Science is never and never was what is limited in the mantra "science says". And what we should listen to, are the leading scientists, the Einsteins and the fellow humble, genial, hard working, brilliant scientists. In short, the very best among them rather than anyone, the professional highly competent doyens of the branches more than the one who has hardly got his foot inside the renowned lab. When vaccines are made the viruses can also mutate dangerously in relations to different vaccines. So it is not a one way direction operation in the first place, and new uncertainties could always occur also when someone may "promise" nothing of the sort could be coming. Only God Himself and the Cross of Jesus Christ is a safe haven. Their likes can absolutely never be any conglomerate of healthy-wealthy AI-associated seculars, however humane they be. The way of salesmen, and the reluctance among everyday man to be cautious towards common speech in favour of an approved/assumed easy task, are still making me nervous the business push is not going to be off for a very long time, any further than the realist viewpoints goes in clinch with the superstitiously clinical at higher levels. |
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Post by Séamus on Nov 18, 2020 7:29:51 GMT
As we sooner than we can say might close in to the great Global prime time campaigns of pressure on "mandatory vaccine to help your fellow men". What are the pros and cons in general? Which may have some good in them, and which has not? Would you submit only because State or Deep State manouvers tries to force you to swallow the thing, by threats of ruining you economically, without regard to what it will do to heart, brain, conscience, and soul? Is it enough that bill Gates suggests he thinks it´s a bright idea if everyone on the whole planet submitted this his suggestions, or that Vladimir Putin´s daughter announces she feels just fine after a fresh injection? Could you prevail in counter emotional pressure from family, friends, colleagues to "do as we all must do, some good" i.e. take in new vaccines in our bodies? If the last three ones were deliberately unmature wordings, could someone come to some practical or ethical aid regarding the first two please. Also especially on what can be known concerning the way the various vaccines are produced. Guarantees for not containing cells from the murdered children, or any other troublesome features that might be popping up. Thanks in advance. I know of several people in Australia who are not receiving flu shots because of reported embryonic cell usage, whether in the vaccine itself or when developing it,I don't know; I haven't looked too much into it myself,it usually wouldn't effect the lives of those who refused it, but new regulations this year have caused situations,such as most nursing homes banning family member visits for those without the flu injection- which seems illogical- ordinary influenza and covid are hardly connected. I know one priest who had gave viaticum to elderly residents in the residential home's grounds as he refused the shot,on the other hand I heard that all the cathedral clergy all received the vaccination this year...very confusing |
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Post by assisi on Nov 18, 2020 14:25:04 GMT
As we sooner than we can say might close in to the great Global prime time campaigns of pressure on "mandatory vaccine to help your fellow men". What are the pros and cons in general? Which may have some good in them, and which has not? Would you submit only because State or Deep State manouvers tries to force you to swallow the thing, by threats of ruining you economically, without regard to what it will do to heart, brain, conscience, and soul? Is it enough that bill Gates suggests he thinks it´s a bright idea if everyone on the whole planet submitted this his suggestions, or that Vladimir Putin´s daughter announces she feels just fine after a fresh injection? Could you prevail in counter emotional pressure from family, friends, colleagues to "do as we all must do, some good" i.e. take in new vaccines in our bodies? If the last three ones were deliberately unmature wordings, could someone come to some practical or ethical aid regarding the first two please. Also especially on what can be known concerning the way the various vaccines are produced. Guarantees for not containing cells from the murdered children, or any other troublesome features that might be popping up. Thanks in advance. I know of several people in Australia who are not receiving flu shots because of reported embryonic cell usage, whether in the vaccine itself or when developing it,I don't know; I haven't looked too much into it,myself,it usually wouldn't effect the lives of those who refused it, but new regulations this year have caused situations,such as most nursing homes banning family member visits for those without the flu injection- which seems illogical- ordinary influenza and covid are hardly connected. I know one priest who had gave viaticum to elderly residents in the residential home's grounds as he refused the shot,on the other hand I heard that all the cathedral clergy all received the vaccination this year...very confusing On a connected issue, I was interested to learn recently of something called 'Advanced Directives', a name given to a type of contract that that allows you to state particular healthcare that you do not want. The Advanced Directive becomes operational when you are no longer of sound mind to make decisions (e.g. dementia), so the idea is that you draw up this contract in advance when you are healthy, in anticipation of later years illnesses like dementia. For example the contract could state that you don't want to be resuscitated if your heart stops in some particular situations. Having seen older relatives have long drawn out dementia in Care homes and Nursing Homes, where there quality of life is virtually nil, the idea attracts me, should this ever happen to me. My particular idea is that I would not like to receive the annual flu jab. Illnesses like pneumonia were always considered 'the old man's friend' because the illness would be one of the natural ways that an aged person, or a sick aged person, would die, and it would often be a gentle death. I see flu in the same way. If one was suffering from dementia, annual flu jabs could well keep you alive several years more than without the jab. To me, although the flu jab would normally be given with good intentions, I think it would be preferable to die more naturally. In other words, if catching the flu tips one over the edge to death then so be it, that would be preferable to perhaps hanging on extra years bolstered up by the flu jab. Now there would be no guarantee that you would die any earlier without the flu jab, but the likelihood of dying earlier would increase. I don't approve of euthanasia and I don't see this type of action going against this belief. So I don't see a moral issue here. One concern now is that Government starts to mandate vaccinations. Hopefully the flu vaccine would never be mandated. Another concern is that, having seen how Care Homes operate and the disorganisation one sees at times, it would be possible that the staff would arrange to vaccinate all residents forgetting in the confusion those who had an Advanced Directive against jabs. No doubt the current virus situation may eventually constrain these Advanced Directives in some ways, but they are certainly worth looking into if you are so inclined. |
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Post by cato on Nov 18, 2020 16:41:35 GMT
I am fortunate enough to be working and still attend an actual physical workplace. Any colleague I have asked about taking a potential vaacine has said no. Lack of testing seems to be the common concern. I am not sure how representative my work mates are .....
I took the flu vaacine once. Around 6 weeks afterwards I had the worst experience of flu ever. Some of the scepticism around a vaacine is not ideological but based on previous personal experience.
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Post by Tomas on Nov 18, 2020 17:01:17 GMT
God bless you all. Thanks for answers that makes sense. This is kind of rare in some disturbed venues right now for some (lack of good) reason! Whatever is under way in tragic pushes for big money injection drives, from a Christian POV it would each moment be paramount to least try do the little one could in spiritual support "as normal" for the fellow sufferers one meets in town or at hospitals. Are the big profits by any chance most in the patents, so that it doesn´t matter for instigators how many actually gets coerced to be injected? If that´s the case, the highest flow may eventually turn soon to an ebb after all. As fast as possible if cheap political points are to be gained after the enervating lockdown drag...
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Post by hilary on Nov 18, 2020 20:17:47 GMT
Pat Kenny was talking to a representative from the INMO, Joe Hoolan, this morning. Pat was very cross about the fact that as he said, less than 50% of nurses "bother to get the flu vaccine every year" and he was wondering if we would get the same "anti-vax mood among nurses about the Covid vaccination". It was quite extreme. He was asking if nurses would be prioritised for the vaccine, was baffled that all nurses don't get the vaccine, that they would be so sloppy about the care of their patients and seemed to think the vaccine should be part of their terms and conditions.
His guest gave a very measured response saying "if and when we get a vaccine which is proven to be safe and effective we will encourage our members to get the vaccine" but no-one can force anyone to have a vaccine. He said we have free choice in Ireland and he didn't see that changing. I hope we hear more from him and people like him.
I haven't been listening to Newstalk much lately but I've heard from others that Pat seems to be terrified of Covid. I'm not sure what it is but I've noticed a lack of empathy with people that wasn't there before. I noticed it particularly when he was talking with Prof. Luke O'Neill from Trinity in the last week or so. They were discussing a study which showed that one in four older/more vulnerable people were lonely or depressed now. To them it was as if this was a nuisance and they suggested these people needed more online engagement, "an app or something". They are so fired up about the vaccines.
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Post by Tomas on Nov 18, 2020 20:32:06 GMT
Pat Kenny was talking to a representative from the INMO, Joe Hoolan, this morning. Pat was very cross about the fact that as he said, less than 50% of nurses "bother to get the flu vaccine every year" and he was wondering if we would get the same "anti-vax mood among nurses about the Covid vaccination". It was quite extreme. He was asking if nurses would be prioritised for the vaccine, was baffled that all nurses don't get the vaccine, that they would be so sloppy about the care of their patients and seemed to think the vaccine should be part of their terms and conditions. His guest gave a very measured response saying "if and when we get a vaccine which is proven to be safe and effective we will encourage our members to get the vaccine" but no-one can force anyone to have a vaccine. He said we have free choice in Ireland and he didn't see that changing. I hope we hear more from him and people like him. I haven't been listening to Newstalk much lately but I've heard from others that Pat seems to be terrified of Covid. I'm not sure what it is but I've noticed a lack of empathy with people that wasn't there before. I noticed it particularly when he was talking with Prof. Luke O'Neill from Trinity in the last week or so. They were discussing a study which showed that one in four older/more vulnerable people were lonely or depressed now. To them it was as if this was a nuisance and they suggested these people needed more online engagement, "an app or something". They are so fired up about the vaccines. Interesting moment to moment views of the times. Ugly reactions from prominent people may be easy to explain, but still easier to explain away. Good news to hear about some common sense sanity coming into the picture as well. Let´s pray for all nurses, doctors, assistants, with and without vax preference, and since it after all is Ireland that is the scene of the whole rage, also for reversions to the Faith for more! |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 18, 2020 23:20:40 GMT
I have no desire to take it. Not only fear of it being untested but-- in all honesty-- I'm quite spooked by some of the "conspiracy theories" floating around. Is it sheer coincidence that this pandemic has played out just like all the "New World Order" prophecies we've been hearing for so many years? The very fact that the mainstream media is so fixated on vaccines makes me nervous in itself.
Regarding Cato's bad experience with a flu vaccine... I've heard stories from friends about their kids suffering serious declines in health and behavior after multiple simultaneous vaccinations. That is anecdotal evidence, but it seems arbitrary to discount evidence just because it is anecdotal.
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