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Post by Guest124 on Jan 2, 2021 0:32:20 GMT
Have you all been keeping up with George killing and "protests" in Dublin?
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Post by Antaine on Jan 2, 2021 10:47:55 GMT
Glad to see someone beat me to it. I was holding off given the holidays.
Yeah, as per usual with BLM, a black man was killed for criminal behaviour, and so gangs (perhaps hoards is more appropriate ) of black youths go out hassling and apparently assaulting people in response. I saw a video where I believe the Spar it took place had to lock the shutters to protect staff and customers from said gangs. This wasn't the only building either. And of course, the same BLM phrases were being shouted around. I saw another video of a gang of about 20 black youths following a woman back to her car for no reason. Not that the media would bother to cover that aspect of it. Just the "peaceful protest" that happened in town.
If this doesn't prove to people that all these Black race-relations issues are all complete and utter BS - that too many people in the black community simply want an excuse to act like thugs - then nothing will. This country has never done anything to black people. On the contrary, we have been sending aid and peace keepers to Africa for years, and allowed black people into the country to find better lives for themselves; and what's the thanks we get? Accusations of racism, white supremacy, white privilege, etc? Never grateful, always entitled. The reason so many black people are upset isn't because we haven't been good to them; it's literally the exact opposite. Too many understand that they can come to the West and slander and even beat the crap out of us (if not outright murder us), and we the spineless moron white people will apologise to them for the privilege. Because obviously we must have done something to upset them in the first place. And obviously white people should be held guilty for something that happened decades or even centuries ago, by someone they're probably not even related to; but to expect a criminal black to be held responsible for things that they have personally done with their own hands would, of course, be racist.
There is no reasoning with these people (BLM or their "white allies"). They like to play the intellectual when it suits them, and then when you show them up on the arguments they simply resort to screaming about "white privilege" and "diminishing my experience as a person of colour". The problem with the Black community isn't lack of reparations, but lack of responsibility. The fact is, white people could disappear off the face of the Earth tomorrow, and a thousand years later white people would still be blamed for everything wrong with Africa and the global Black community. We are basically the original Sin of black people - because they were wronged in the past, they are apparently now in a permanent imperfect state.
I think it's about time white people stopped being such utter cowards, and started being demanding back. At least we have legitimate reasons to do so. Do you think BLM would ever protest - as in an actual peaceful protest - in some Arab country? Of course not, because we all know what happen if they did. They know they can get away with acting the way they do in the West, so they do. How many of these tools do you think have so much as picked up a history book, never mind read one? If these young black thugs are looking to turn Ireland into an ethnostate, they're going the right way about it.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 2, 2021 11:22:47 GMT
It's all so drearily predictable. Bríd Smith of People Before Profit asking on Facebook why the guy couldn't just have been shot in the leg. As though she has any experience of a violent attacker coming at her. Not that I have, either, but I'm not going to judge a garda doing his duty in such an extreme. And she calls the protests peaceful despite video evidence showing otherwise. She got eaten alive in the comments but doubtless, contrary to all the threats, this will be forgotten when election time comes.
I'm sorry the man is dead. I'm sorry when a death becomes a political football. But the immediate playing of the race card by the left is disgusting.
I don't think this should be laid at the door of black people, though. I don't go in for guilt by association. My problem is with the people actually involved, whatever their colour.
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Post by Guest124 on Jan 2, 2021 19:52:49 GMT
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 2, 2021 20:39:39 GMT
He seems a very confused guy. I agree that theft to survive is morally justified. But how many people are really in that situation in Ireland?
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Post by Stephen on Jan 3, 2021 7:34:45 GMT
These people are a Joke and the victim mindset for Black people (I would prefer he just said we're he is from in Africa) in Ireland makes no sense. The Irish Catholics were subjected to hundreds of years of oppression by the neighbors and does not feed into this black/ white narrative.
If we had any kind of strong culture and leadership these clowns would be deported or arrested for spreading cancerous ideology and trying to destabilise the nation.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 4, 2021 15:07:38 GMT
It seems that left-wingers gave been deliberately disseminating false information about this case in order to make conservatives jump on it and have egg on their face. It's a salutary warning to treat such cases with great caution. The left love to race-bait and we should be reluctant to rise to the bait.
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Post by hilary on Jan 4, 2021 15:29:03 GMT
It seems that left-wingers gave been deliberately disseminating false information about this case in order to make conservatives jump on it and have egg on their face. It's a salutary warning to treat such cases with great caution. The left love to race-bait and we should be reluctant to rise to the bait. I heard Peadar Toibin describing Aontú as a left-leaning party yesterday on rte. I wonder is it necessary to define in those terms at this point? Pro-life and left-wing. Maybe a bit of a contradiction - would it stand up to scrutiny especially at the moment when the government is taking such liberties?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 4, 2021 15:50:23 GMT
It seems that left-wingers gave been deliberately disseminating false information about this case in order to make conservatives jump on it and have egg on their face. It's a salutary warning to treat such cases with great caution. The left love to race-bait and we should be reluctant to rise to the bait. I heard Peadar Toibin describing Aontú as a left-leaning party yesterday on rte. I wonder is it necessary to define in those terms at this point? Pro-life and left-wing. Maybe a bit of a contradiction - would it stand up to scrutiny especially at the moment when the government is taking such liberties? It shouldn't really be a contradiction. It seems to me that the right to life is so basic it could be defended using almost any coherent worldview; conservative, libertarian, anarchist, liberal, feminist, etc.
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Post by Stephen on Jan 4, 2021 16:12:33 GMT
I heard Peadar Toibin describing Aontú as a left-leaning party yesterday on rte. I wonder is it necessary to define in those terms at this point? Pro-life and left-wing. Maybe a bit of a contradiction - would it stand up to scrutiny especially at the moment when the government is taking such liberties? It shouldn't really be a contradiction. It seems to me that the right to life is so basic it could be defended using almost any coherent worldview; conservative, libertarian, anarchist, liberal, feminist, etc. Completely agree. The whole Social conservative has to be a Capitalist point is very American and I think problematic.
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Post by hilary on Jan 4, 2021 20:07:17 GMT
In fairness to Peadar what he said was " we are a left of centre political party but we're definitely not part of the woke establishment. We're about practical politics, commonsense politics, and the fact that at this stage Aontú in some polls is pulling about 4% in the polls which is level with the Greens and PBP..." . By this point the RTE lady had interjected and said "so what you're saying is...you're closer to the left". End of interview.
He wasn't asked about the Blanchardstown incident or the RTE sketch but he did appeal for more non Covid care. Aontú has economic justice as one of its its core pillars and I think Peadar is interested in helping small businesses. Plenty of discussions will be going on no doubt but I wonder about the left of centre label-maybe it's just for rte?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 4, 2021 20:27:58 GMT
In fairness to Peadar what he said was " we are a left of centre political party but we're definitely not part of the woke establishment. We're about practical politics, commonsense politics, and the fact that at this stage Aontú in some polls is pulling about 4% in the polls which is level with the Greens and PBP..." . By this point the RTE lady had interjected and said "so what you're saying is...you're closer to the left". End of interview. He wasn't asked about the Blanchardstown incident or the RTE sketch but he did appeal for more non Covid care. Aontú has economic justice as one of its its core pillars and I think Peadar is interested in helping small businesses. Plenty of discussions will be going on no doubt but I wonder about the left of centre label-maybe it's just for rte? One has to wonder who is on the right or even centre-right in Irish politics! I haven't noticed that FF/FG are in practice any less redistributionist than any of the others. Socially they are all to the left except Aontú. In all honesty I am somewhat left of centre economically myself.
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Post by Stephen on Jan 5, 2021 7:26:58 GMT
In fairness to Peadar what he said was " we are a left of centre political party but we're definitely not part of the woke establishment. We're about practical politics, commonsense politics, and the fact that at this stage Aontú in some polls is pulling about 4% in the polls which is level with the Greens and PBP..." . By this point the RTE lady had interjected and said "so what you're saying is...you're closer to the left". End of interview. He wasn't asked about the Blanchardstown incident or the RTE sketch but he did appeal for more non Covid care. Aontú has economic justice as one of its its core pillars and I think Peadar is interested in helping small businesses. Plenty of discussions will be going on no doubt but I wonder about the left of centre label-maybe it's just for rte? One has to wonder who is on the right or even centre-right in Irish politics! I haven't noticed that FF/FG are in practice any less redistributionist than any of the others. Socially they are all to the left except Aontú. In all honesty I am somewhat left of centre economically myself. The left / right paradigm doesn't really work! if it ever did. Aontu isn't really socially conservative except on abortion (they are a useless party). They are pro same sex unions, divorce, contraception and good bit of the liberal garbage socially aswell.
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Jan 5, 2021 10:11:46 GMT
One has to wonder who is on the right or even centre-right in Irish politics! I haven't noticed that FF/FG are in practice any less redistributionist than any of the others. Socially they are all to the left except Aontú. In all honesty I am somewhat left of centre economically myself. The left / right paradigm doesn't really work! if it ever did. Aontu isn't really socially conservative except on abortion (they are a useless party). They are pro same sex unions, divorce, contraception and good bit of the liberal garbage socially aswell. The Left-Right paradigm is a false dilemma. That’s when you claim that there’s only two options, and it’s an either/or choice. There is a broad range of choices between those two.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 5, 2021 10:15:51 GMT
I think the distinction is useful as long as you remember that it is limited. Every attempt to categorize the messiness of reality is limited. Nevertheless we still need categories.
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