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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 5, 2021 10:17:11 GMT
I think the distinction is useful as long as you remember that it is limited. Every attempt to categorize the messiness of reality is limited. Nevertheless we still need categories.
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Jan 5, 2021 10:17:58 GMT
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Post by hilary on Jan 5, 2021 14:57:04 GMT
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There's a need for debate about what that means though I think. I noticed that there's a union for migrant nurses in Ireland - recently set up I think and maybe especially for Indian nurses - and that the INMO advocates for Irish nurses abroad as well as at home. The woke left favour open borders, driving down wages but it's nice to see the bit of union representation for the immigrant nurses too. I wonder how that works in practice. How are terms and conditions maintained for all?
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Post by cato on Jan 5, 2021 15:32:22 GMT
I think the distinction is useful as long as you remember that it is limited. Every attempt to categorize the messiness of reality is limited. Nevertheless we still need categories. Agree 100% . Maolsheachlann. We need some kind of benchmark even though precise positioning of parties and politicians is difficult or impossible. Many opinions once seen as common sense are now "far right" ignoring the fact that the culture itself has turned upside down. Most ordinary people are probably non ideological and hold positions which ought to be contradictory strictly speaking. I had an uncle fined by the courts for selling An Poblacht in the 1950s who was an ardent supporter of Mrs Thatcher as a small business man in 1980s England. Irish people want personal taxes and a socialist level of state care and welfare. We are highly critical of America but rely on US companies to keep our economy afloat. We are pro European Union (and anti British) but consume most of our entertainment and sport from the Anglosphere. We are contradictory and not the theoretical robots of overly simplistic left/right categorizing. To slightly adapt Pope Francis - Lets not be too rigid about these things!
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Post by Séamus on Jan 17, 2022 9:02:42 GMT
"... The toppling of the bronze memorial to 17th century merchant Edward Colston into Bristol docks was the defining image of the Black Lives Matter protests of 2020 (in Britain)...but all four were cleared after defence lawyers urged the jury 'to be on the right side of history'"(international express 12jan)
At least one school in the same nation is shedding two of it's buildings' dedications- Winston Churchill and Walter Raleigh;Greta Thunberg will replace one of these. I couldn't help wondering:if a young conservation crusader with social awkwardness was required to replace an historical figure with allegedly archaic race policies, why not Dara McAnulty who is technically under the same Westminster government?. It's appreciated if they preferred but not to offend Dublin and Ulster republicans by claiming someone from the Mountains of Mourne,but I'm unaware of the British having any claim on Stockholm at all...
Indeed,a recent sculpture of Thatcher in an town associated with the former PM's life was deliberately put on a high plinth,out of tomatoes way...but wasn't her scorched earth policy towards the mining industry and it's adjutant unions one of the principal reasons that her memory is held in such disdain,the very policy that the Miss Greta gang is currently lauded for?
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Post by cato on Jan 17, 2022 12:56:35 GMT
Indeed,a recent sculpture of Thatcher in an town associated with the former PM's life was deliberately put on a high plinth,out of tomatoes way...but wasn't her scorched earth policy towards the mining industry and it's adjutant unions one of the principal reasons that her memory is held in such disdain,the very policy that the Miss Greta gang is currently lauded for?[/quote]
The notion of the "right-side of history" is progressive nonsense to describe a trend the speaker agrees with. Normally the same people subscribe to some variant of relativism.
The sad decline of the British coal mines started under the Labour government of Clement Atlee in 1945. Pits began to shut on economic grounds the exact criteria Thatcher applied 40 years later. The Labour Party in the 1960s and 70s closed more pits than the Tories but more jobs were lost under the Conservatives. As Seamus points out above ironically the coal pits were dirty industries that would have been shut on environmental grounds had they been spared.
In her final months Thatcher also publcally addressed climate change challenges the first modern British prime minister to do so.
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