Will you take a Covid Vaacine?

As far as I understand the vaccine does not actually prevent transmission at all, so it doesn't seem to me as though there is any moral obligation here. In any case I think the overwhelming majority want it, so surely a small sceptical minority who don't want it will make no difference.

I accept the Church's view on its moral licitness. However, its safety is another matter. There has been so much lying and distortion from government and public health authorities on Covid that assurances are hard to believe.

There is also such pressure, and so many possible consequences, that I would not want to say here whether I will or won't take it.

Generally speaking I wouldn't take any drugs that I don't need. I would only take a paracetamol if my headache or toothache got way too painful.

But if I was to take the vaccine I would prefer to take the AstraZeneca (Oxford vaccine) one because it uses an existing tried and tested method of vaccine delivery. The Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use a new method of delivery and we just don't know if there would be any long term effects with this type of delivery.

The sad truth is that we are at a stage where no-one, government, media, or pharmaceutical companies can be believed anymore. They have strung us along with declarations about vaccines and then qualified their effectiveness at a later stage which is very soul destroying for people.

I totally understand people not taking the vaccine. I would particularly be against young people under 30 taking the vaccine in case of the possibility of later complications such as infertility or weakened auto-immune systems; I should add that these issues are not thought to happen, but any new technology carries a risk. 

I am totally against 'vaccine licences/permits' that would permit or deny a person freedom of access or travel just because that person had, or had not, taken a vaccine. This would be a terrible attack on freedom and would be the start of a totalitarian type society.

It's a difficult one because people will accuse the non-vaccinators of risking killing people. Emotion will be high. But because no vaccine is 100% effective, there will always be a chance of vaccinated people spreading the virus too. At some point when spring arrives and all those who want the vaccines have received them, we need to open up society again or we are going to blight the lives of both young and old. We need to take the risks.

I'll pass on it too!

www.bitchute.com/video/XKkLs0IYlGWf/

Interesting looking video discussion on Iona website with David Quinn , Maria Steen and two lay theologians on a catholic moral approach to Covid.

I have yet to watch the video Hilary but Dolores is becoming a Jack of all trades. I am sympathetic to the view that we have witnessed a shocking removal of fundamental rights with little or no debate. Unfortunately most Irish people egged on by the increasingly hysterical media are happy with restrictions and in fact claim to want tighter and tighter rules. This appears to be a trend in most countries.

The constitution is a mixed bag. De Valera also permitted emergency legislation from almost day one which modified many of the rights of the citizens in Bunreacht na hEireann. Thanks to the IRA and their supporters Ireland was under Emergency powers status for much of its history. Naturally this didn't impact on most of the population directly but the constitution does give the government very wide emergency powers to over ride personal liberties.


The Waters/O Doherty case is one which needs to be taken to clarify the legal situation. Unfortunately high class legal minds are reluctant to take on the case perhaps due to the notoriety of the plaintiffs and perhaps also due to the unpopularity of defending personal liberties in a time of panic and hysteria. And genuine fear.

You are right that there is hysteria and maybe a few people are genuinely afraid.  But I don't think we can indulge forever those who can't or won't engage in critical thinking, at the expense, for example of children with special needs, owners of businesses, people who are in pain or who are not receiving treatment for non-Covid problems, those with addictions, depression etc - not to mention the impact on the national finances.  That's without even going down the rabbit-hole of the Great Reset!    A lot of people are comfortable, in State jobs or with the PUP and if they're afraid it's probably of going against the official narrative.  

Dolores has stepped up where others who are elected and paid to provide leadership have failed.  It should be possible for the government with business leaders and a couple of medical people (!) and so on to come up with creative solutions but of course we have gone down a particular WHO/EU/UN road - did we have any choice? I don't think it's fair to blame the Constitution - they never envisaged this scenario I'm sure.  "The education of public opinion being, however, a matter of such grave import to the common good...." (Article 40).  I think a lot of us have been and are waiting for someone else to speak up.  Maolsheachlann has been playing his part providing this forum! 

A Fianna Fáil Councillor in Drogheda has spoken out too - John Kierans, PRO of the Louth and East Meath branch.  He proposed motions that "the data from the CSO pertaining to excess mortality does not support the contention that Ireland suffered from an abnormal pandemic in the year 2020 ..." and that "the FF Louth Coastal Meath CDC would encourage a scientific approach to Covid 19 that includes input from epidemiologists and virologists that support and oppose lockdown measures".  The branch have disassociated themselves from his comments but it's great to hear a bit of dissent. 

The Court of Appeal is considering Gemma and John's case at the moment I think.  I think it will be interesting to hear how the case brought by the parents of children with special needs goes too.  There are also quite a few cases being brought by Leaving Cert students too.






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I agree with much of the above Hilary and fear the "cure" being inflicted on populations will be a heavy one. Unfortunately any challenge or criticism or scepticism to the current extremist policies were we have shut our societies down 3 times in less than a year is sidelinded or ignored.

Today the narrative in the Sunday papers is let's have zero Covid like New Zealand ignoring our geography , shared land border etc. It's profoundly maddening and depressing.

Yes, but I suppose we have to remember that the mainstream media is financially dependent on keeping the narrative going. I saw Ivan Yates saying that Newstalk hadn't the money to keep him even though his programme had higher ratings than Pat Kenny. (Probably couldn't trust him to stay "on message" either).[/quote]


Let's hope some of their falseness will have to put up with its own costs some day. When real news and truth comes home again, and the gravity of the lying cult or lying culture gets exposed overall, then it would be a happy time to celebrate. Freedom of speech. Free press. True love. True religion. Can hardly wait for the dark business era to give way. Sooner rather than cancelled or delayed to later... especially not so much later than this our own generation perspective will not be alive to know and see it happen.