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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 27, 2021 14:43:03 GMT
It's a pity you're not opening the nobility to ethnic minorities, because in that case we might have our own Irish Cunta Kinte! (Apologies for the levity. It's contagious!) I said "the inclusion or exclusion of other ethnic minorities will be decided on a case-by-case basis (as well as if such groups have a suitable person)." so they are not being excluded a priori. Yes you did...I stand corrected.
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Post by connacht4096 on Sept 27, 2021 15:56:41 GMT
I said "the inclusion or exclusion of other ethnic minorities will be decided on a case-by-case basis (as well as if such groups have a suitable person)." so they are not being excluded a priori. Yes you did...I stand corrected. no problem, I understand mistakes of fact wholly, where what you said is false, becase it proceeded from factual assumptions that happened to not be true, the worst I will do about them, is explain how the facts are wrong, and move along; I have another explanation of how a restored gaelic nobility should work linguistically, and it is this: for one, the title proper will be used in its Irish language form only, even in English, so a person is always “Barún” never ‘baron’; even in English. However designations referring to a place can be in either language, but they are not interchangeable, a particular title either uses the Irish name of a place, or its English name, and whichever name a particular title uses will always be quoted in that form, regardless of the language used in that instance; this is to enable the creation of two titles referring to the same place for instance, it will be possible to have a Duc Chorcaí (that title would be rendered in English as: Duc of Corcaigh), and a separate Duc Cork* (that title would be rendered in English as: duc of cork); if the ulster scots forms of place names are different enough from the English forms, we could even create a third one. The “duc Chorcaí” is just a random example, the exact title and place being unimportant in this example, just the linguistics of the reference. this is not something I would go out of the way to do in individual cases, but a door I want to keep unlocked in case a compelling reason to use it comes into existence
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Post by connacht4096 on Sept 30, 2021 14:30:16 GMT
besides the actuall petty kings, and possibly some knight like honors bellow it, this is the intial proposal for the ranks of the gaelic nobility: The following will be the ranks of titles, from top to bottom; as previously noted, Irish language forms are the exclusive form of the title that will actually be used; part of me thinks the use of english language noble titles should even be illegal and lead to fines or a few days of jail time, the english translations are just so that people can have an idea of corespondence:-
1. Flaith (prince) 2. Duc (duke) 3. Marcas (marquess) 4. Cunta (count) 5. Bíocunta (viscount) 6. Iarla (earl) 7. Barún (baron)
The following titles will stand outside the normal hierarchy: 1. Ard Tiarna (high lord) 2. Tiarna (lord)
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Post by cato on Sept 30, 2021 18:37:07 GMT
besides the actuall petty kings, and possibly some knight like honors bellow it, this is the intial proposal for the ranks of the gaelic nobility: The following will be the ranks of titles, from top to bottom; as previously noted, Irish language forms are the exclusive form of the title that will actually be used; part of me thinks the use of english language noble titles should even be illegal and lead to fines or a few days of jail time, the english translations are just so that people can have an idea of corespondence:- 1. Flaith (prince) 2. Duc (duke) 3. Marcas (marquess) 4. Cunta (count) 5. Bíocunta (viscount) 6. Iarla (earl) 7. Barún (baron) The following titles will stand outside the normal hierarchy: 1. Ard Tiarna (high lord) 2. Tiarna (lord) Are you not using Anglo Norman foreign concepts like Dukedoms , Barons etc ( which you declared were to be removed from the body politic in one of your original manifestos) and combining them with native Irish titles in a manner completely novel and unprecedented ? All in the name of tradition. I have no great sentimental attachment to the Republican trappings of this state but there is roughly zero demand for a quasi medieval non historical monarchy among our national confreres.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Oct 1, 2021 10:38:57 GMT
part of me thinks the use of english language noble titles should even be illegal and lead to fines or a few days of jail time I'm all in favour of using Gaelic terminology, even fabricated Gaelic terminology, but the inclination towards authoritarianism is a bit sinister! It's not just you...I've heard quite a lot of people on the Irish right suggesting repressive measures to restore the Irish language. One would think a more positive and achievable goal would just be to use Irish more often in ordinary life. I don't consider compulsory Irish in schools or anything that the Language Freedom Movement moaned about to be repressive. I'm talking about more extreme measures.
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Post by connacht4096 on Oct 1, 2021 13:46:28 GMT
part of me thinks the use of english language noble titles should even be illegal and lead to fines or a few days of jail time I'm all in favour of using Gaelic terminology, even fabricated Gaelic terminology, but the inclination towards authoritarianism is a bit sinister! It's not just you...I've heard quite a lot of people on the Irish right suggesting repressive measures to restore the Irish language. One would think a more positive and achievable goal would just be to use Irish more often in ordinary life. I don't consider compulsory Irish in schools or anything that the Language Freedom Movement moaned about to be repressive. I'm talking about more extreme measures. I said "a part of me thinks", I did not seriously propose to do that, i just said the idea had entered my mind and been considered just enough to be worth mentioning, though ultimatly rejected; and you just articulated the reason I rejected it
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Oct 1, 2021 14:01:37 GMT
I'm all in favour of using Gaelic terminology, even fabricated Gaelic terminology, but the inclination towards authoritarianism is a bit sinister! It's not just you...I've heard quite a lot of people on the Irish right suggesting repressive measures to restore the Irish language. One would think a more positive and achievable goal would just be to use Irish more often in ordinary life. I don't consider compulsory Irish in schools or anything that the Language Freedom Movement moaned about to be repressive. I'm talking about more extreme measures. I said "a part of me thinks", I did not seriously propose to do that, i just said the idea had entered my mind and been considered just enough to be worth mentioning, though ultimatly rejected; and you just articulated the reason I rejected it Glad to hear it!
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Post by connacht4096 on Oct 1, 2021 14:09:52 GMT
I said "a part of me thinks", I did not seriously propose to do that, i just said the idea had entered my mind and been considered just enough to be worth mentioning, though ultimatly rejected; and you just articulated the reason I rejected it Glad to hear it! you're welcome, definitly though, on the off chance my proposals are implemented, legal and other official documents will exclusivly use titles and honors in Irish, never english, whichever language the document is itself in, but I won't be policing people's private conversations to make sure they use the Irish language word
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Post by connacht4096 on Oct 9, 2021 15:28:00 GMT
am still considering certain details before making more concrete proposals
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