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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 14, 2017 14:53:27 GMT
Somehow I got the idea he was Catholic; you're right. I listened to one podcast by this chap, and I couldn't really stomach him at all, especially his apparent obsession with IQ.
I think the liberal left (which is of course hegemonic) spawned the Alt Right with their rejection of colour-blindness. I suppose the official line of the liberal left is that they wish to transcend race, but they never stop talking about it and there's no sign of the post-racial society they are seeking to bring about, or even much advance towards it. If you have decades of whites being demonized, especially white heterosexual males, of course there's going to be a backlash.
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Post by bryanreynolds on May 15, 2017 22:52:17 GMT
I haven't read all the replies in this thread but have seen enough to just want to sneak one comment in, mainly directed toward rogerbuck:
Yes there is a lot of bad in the Alt Right (obligatory non-identification w Alt Right established); yet, rogerbuck, I understand your desire to see an "alchemical operation" to reveal the good latent within this movement.
Recently something interesting has happened in one ostensibly Alt Right (yet always geared toward Christianity) internet forum to which I belong: the main mod has been giving more & more attention to a Canadian professor, Jordan Peterson, who some months ago had a high-profile run-in with progressive students on his campus. If you haven't seen it, this may be worth watching! :
Well, this professor Jordan Peterson has been gaining some amount of notoriety for his really courageous behaviour there. He has been interviewed on some rather high profile podcasts, in particular Joe Rogan's podcast, and apparently he is picking up a following.
The point is that the main mod of this ostensibily-Alt Right discussion forum said that his group had been outmoded, made irrelevant because so many new groups, "Jordan Peterson study groups," have been popping up, including "Jordan Peterson study groups with a Christian focus!"
So I only leave this comment to give a view toward what's happening. It's almost as if that alchemical operation is actually happening.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 15, 2017 23:23:30 GMT
I was actually watching this last night. I think he's too patient with them!
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Post by bryanreynolds on May 15, 2017 23:34:07 GMT
I was actually watching this last night. I think he's too patient with them! I live in America, maybe things are different where you live but there are lots of these self-righteous SJW's who have done a fine job of monopolising the spotlight (with the aid of the media), to the point where they are the popular image of "fighting for the truth." You might be right that, ultimately, Peterson's approach is too gentle, but in the context of what's going on in our country, Peterson's patient, persistent, intelligent approach is what we need. It really is perking up people's attention and showing them (or reminding them) that there may be an alternative. |
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Post by bryanreynolds on May 18, 2017 20:39:49 GMT
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Post by bryanreynolds on May 18, 2017 20:47:21 GMT
I've followed rogerbuck's blog for some time. He clued me into the writing of L. Brent Bozell. I would, if I could, share Bozell's essay "Freedom or Virtue?" wherein he criticises the "Fusionism" current of the 50's American conservative movement; which tried to reconcile traditional conservatism with libertarian free market thought...Well, here's an essay on that essay:— www.frontporchrepublic.com/2012/03/freedom-or-virtue-revisited/ |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 18, 2017 20:52:26 GMT
All the debates on the right do seem to revolve around the question of freedom.
I'm actually a bit worried that a necessary reaction against libertarianism might lead to an undervaluation of freedom's importance.
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Post by kj on May 23, 2017 9:50:07 GMT
An American friend of mine met Richard Spencer recently. His summary was that RS regards himself as an 'Evolan evolutionist' who is hoping that accelerationism will destroy society. Apparently he is a big Nietzschean, who although personally agnostic, blames Christianity for the de-virilisation and universalisation of human society. My friend said he thought RS was very adolescent and teenage.
Make of it what you will.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 23, 2017 10:06:08 GMT
The impression I got from watching his videos is that he has a very clear idea of the society he wants, that he doesn't go in for pure destruction at all. For instance, I remember him saying that he couldn't be a proponent of the free market because he's against the idea that just having an accident could saddle someone with unpayable medical debts for life. Of course, I wasn't speaking to him personally!
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Post by kj on May 23, 2017 12:13:20 GMT
My friend met him 7 days ago, so you can take his evaluation as pretty up to date. He may have changed lately due to the assault business. I was pleased by my buddy's evaluation, as he has recently swallowed race politics hook, line, and sinker, so I thought it was good that he wasn't that impressed.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 23, 2017 12:14:57 GMT
I do find him a rather sinister character, but I've been impressed by his lucidity.
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Post by kj on May 23, 2017 12:30:54 GMT
My American friends think that since the media labelled him a Nazi he's decided to live up to the tag. Many regard him as a narcissistic attention-seeker.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 23, 2017 12:55:02 GMT
There is something slightly menacing about him. I watched a compilation where he was taking answers from a hostile audiences. I admire his consistency that he's willing to speak to people of different races and tell them that he is a racialist and would rather live with his own race. (Not a view I agree with, but at least he can openly say it.) However, there was one exchange where he was making fun of somebody's figure and inviting him to fight him (since the guy's t-shirt had an inflammatory slogan on it), and he did seem quite cruel and bullying.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 24, 2017 20:17:45 GMT
This might sound weird, but sometimes I've enjoyed listening to Richard Spencer's videos partly because his elocution and enunciation are both so careful and well-modulated. It's something I value and quite rare.
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Post by MourningIreland on May 24, 2017 22:07:57 GMT
The Alt-Right is interesting and has seeds of a genuine movement, but the problem is that at present it is largely reactionary. It knows what it dislikes but when it tries to provide a positive reply it fragments into differing trends. I would say that if you are a Christian or a Catholic, be wary. The impression I have is that many of its members or adherents hate Christianity. They seem to blame its universalism and urge to charity for 'diluting' the purity of the West/Europe etc. Even worse, a lot of the more neanderthal members advocate Paganism/Thor worshipping etc. And then we have the straight-out Nazis who are not shy about their anti-semitism and general racism. Handle with extreme care. I sympathize with about 90% of what the Alt-Right stands for, but I think they are controlled opposition, just as Nazism was a form of controlled opposition to Marxism - both of which were deeply anti-Christian movements. There is no one I know of who is more knowledgeable and insightful about the Alt-Right than Night Wind, a deep-thinking friend of mine from Seattle. On this subject he writes as follows: The problem is making Conservative and Christian leaders see the seriousness of the threat from the Far Right and start condemning it. 99% of the criticism of these types comes from the Left---which has nothing to offer men. It's going take some leaders of stature to start speaking out to really make a difference. Lost men will listen to other men whom they respect. Us outliers on the Internet can prevent a lot of men from drifting into the Far Right; but it takes people with greater standing than ours to change minds.
The lack of leadership here also allows the Far Left and the Far Right to triangulate on Traditional Conservatives. Vox Day said recently that his followers should exploit any failures by Trump and Macron to achieve their goals as 'proof' that Conservatism is too weak and that only the Far Right can bring results.
READ MORE...
nightwind777.blogspot.ie/2017/05/v-e-day-and-why-we-fight.html#comment-form
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