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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 24, 2017 22:15:27 GMT
Thanks Mourning Ireland, and I love your handle!
I think the big thing is that the Alt Right and the far right are actually PUSHING something. Traditionalist conservatives, paleoconservatives, social conservatives etc. are just sniping from the sidelines. Young men listen (I think) to people who speak with conviction, who are willing to step into the role of leaders. If you take a character such as Peter Hitchens, for instance, all he seems to say these days is: "Nothing can be done, society is going to the dogs, a plague on all your houses, I'm going to enjoy reading my John Le Carré books on long train rides for as long as I can." Well, that's not going to inspire anybody.
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Post by MourningIreland on May 24, 2017 22:27:33 GMT
Thanks Mourning Ireland, and I love your handle! I think the big thing is that the Alt Right and the far right are actually PUSHING something. Traditionalist conservatives, paleoconservatives, social conservatives etc. are just sniping from the sidelines. Young men listen (I think) to people who speak with conviction, who are willing to step into the role of leaders. If you take a character such as Peter Hitchens, for instance, all he seems to say these days is: "Nothing can be done, society is going to the dogs, a plague on all your houses, I'm going to enjoy reading my John Le Carré books on long train rides for as long as I can." Well, that's not going to inspire anybody. Yes. As a neo-pagan from Sligo once put it, "The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity." I'm very grateful to have found this forum, which I learned about today from Roger Buck - it is much needed. I was thinking of trying to start something like this myself but didn't have the time to spare. My MAGA Ireland blog never gained any traction. I am desperate to try to find a way to save the little that is left of this country whilst I simultaneously look for someplace else to go because I feel things are now so bad here that I have almost given up hope. I have felt so alone in all this for many, many years now.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 24, 2017 22:44:54 GMT
Thanks for those kind words. Hopefully the strong start can be sustained. I still love Ireland, but it grieves me to see how its soul is being so corrupted.
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Post by MourningIreland on May 24, 2017 22:59:38 GMT
Thanks for those kind words. Hopefully the strong start can be sustained. I still love Ireland, but it grieves me to see how its soul is being so corrupted. I am going to promote this site wherever I can. We need a hub. Too many highly intelligent young Irish people are drifting into the Far Right. I see it on Youtube comments. Funny you mention that, your love for Ireland. While driving through Buttevant earlier today I was asking myself whether I still love Ireland, whether I ever loved Ireland. I don't know the answer. One theory I am toying with, in trying to understand my own mind, is that I cannot love an Ireland which has had Christianity removed from it. The Ireland I see around me today I feel no love for.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 24, 2017 23:06:52 GMT
All promotion welcome, thank you.
As for loving Ireland....feelings are feelings and you can't help them either way, but I do like the passage from Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton:
"Let us suppose we are confronted with a desperate thing-- say Pimlico. If we think what is really best for Pimlico we shall find the thread of thought leads to the throne or the mystic and the arbitrary. It is not enough for a man to disapprove of Pimlico: in that case he will merely cut his throat or move to Chelsea. Nor, certainly, is it enough for a man to approve of Pimlico: for then it will remain Pimlico, which would be awful. The only way out of it seems to be for somebody to love Pimlico: to love it with a transcendental tie and without any earthly reason. If there arose a man who loved Pimlico, then Pimlico would rise into ivory towers and golden pinnacles; Pimlico would attire herself as a woman does when she is loved. For decoration is not given to hide horrible things: but to decorate things already adorable. A mother does not give her child a blue bow because he is so ugly without it. A lover does not give a girl a necklace to hide her neck. If men loved Pimlico as mothers love children, arbitrarily, because it is THEIRS, Pimlico in a year or two might be fairer than Florence. Some readers will say that this is a mere fantasy. I answer that this is the actual history of mankind."
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Post by ClassicalRepublican on May 29, 2017 10:30:13 GMT
Great thread.
Just to pick up on one point - Prof Jordan Peterson (although heterodox on Christianity, which might be off putting to some) is probably the most important English-speaking person alive today. He has appeared just at the right moment, maybe providentially, to arrest many young men's slide into the far right. I understand the leadership of Canada's Tory party have been consulting with him lately.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 29, 2017 12:59:43 GMT
The thing that bothers me most about the Jewish angle, and the triple-bracketing, is: why is it important, even if it's true? I'm opposed to the whole cosmopolitan, open borders ideology no matter WHO is pushing it. Jewishness doesn't come into it. It wouldn't be very difficult to find Jews who are critical of open border ideology-- Ben Shapiro and Denis Prager spring to mind.
I'm less interested in the whole IQ aspect. I'm pretty sceptical about the relevance of IQ anyway. But yes, I find the Alt Right absolutely fascinating. Conservatives seem divided into those who have a gag reflex when it comes to the Alt Right and those who don't. I don't.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 29, 2017 14:45:49 GMT
Ha!
I see no reason it shouldn't be noticed, but I don't understand the fixation on it. The whole phenomenon of triple bracketing is something I find particularly unpleasant. I think somebody's ideas should be addressed, not their ethnicity.
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Post by MourningIreland on May 29, 2017 15:07:53 GMT
The thing that bothers me most about the Jewish angle, and the triple-bracketing, is: why is it important, even if it's true? I'm opposed to the whole cosmopolitan, open borders ideology no matter WHO is pushing it. Jewishness doesn't come into it. It wouldn't be very difficult to find Jews who are critical of open border ideology-- Ben Shapiro and Denis Prager spring to mind. I'm less interested in the whole IQ aspect. I'm pretty sceptical about the relevance of IQ anyway. But yes, I find the Alt Right absolutely fascinating. Conservatives seem divided into those who have a gag reflex when it comes to the Alt Right and those who don't. I don't. Orthodox and Conservative Jews - in contrast to secular (non-religious) and reform/liberal Jews - are overwhelmingly socially conservative. Dennis Prager and Ben Shapiro are great examples. In a similar vein, Wendy Shalit and Judith Reisman come immediately to my mind. Phyllis Chesler and Pamela Geller, although not known as conservatives per se, are two more courageous independent thinkers sounding the alarm about the destruction of the West - both are Jews. The best - and arguably the most conservative - candidate to ever run for President in the U.S., Barry Goldwater, was a Jew. Moreover, Stephen Miller, President Trump's chief speechwriter, a committed conservative since childhood, is a Jew. Why is anti-semitism a key plank of the Far Right? For two reasons: to distract from the real enemy (the Left's dirty trick of divide and conquer) and for the reason the late Fr. Flannery (author of "The Anguish of the Jews") cites: It was Judaism that bought the concept of a God-given universal moral law into the world...the Jew carries the burden of God in history [and] for this has never been forgiven. - The Reverend Edward H. Flannery
An attack on Judaism is an attack on Christianity - bring Judaism and Christianity down and you bring down the West. Once one grasps this fundamental principle, it is easy to understand why the tools of Jew-baiting and Catholic-baiting are so ubiquitous and so powerful.
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Post by MourningIreland on May 29, 2017 15:20:32 GMT
Ha! I see no reason it shouldn't be noticed, but I don't understand the fixation on it. The whole phenomenon of triple bracketing is something I find particularly unpleasant. I think somebody's ideas should be addressed, not their ethnicity. Yes - I certainly DO NOT wish to be identified with the politics of Tim Kaine, Bill Maher, Maureen Dowd, Stephen Colbert, Joe Biden, Jimmy Fallon, Tom Hayden (RIP), Tip O'Neill (RIP), Bill Clinton, Teddy Kennedy, RINO Paul Ryan, Justice William Brennan (RIP). There are many more Irish-American libtard politicians and entertainment figures...I could go on and on. NONE OF THESE PEOPLE REPRESENT ME SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE IRISH.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 29, 2017 15:36:40 GMT
Very well put, Mourning Ireland-- I completely agree.
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