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Post by Tomas on Feb 9, 2022 21:45:46 GMT
Even though much of the above said is accurate there may be many instances when a somewhat confrontational line becomes urgently needed. That said I very much dislike the derogatory use of "Frankie" and such stupid things.
There are already Vatican documents issued on social online communications. One very good one came perhaps one of two years before Francis entrance on the scene. But - Documents are not a solution if the troubles are as bad, or close to it, as stated.
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Post by cato on Feb 11, 2022 13:34:43 GMT
Even though much of the above said is accurate there may be many instances when a somewhat confrontational line becomes urgently needed. That said I very much dislike the derogatory use of "Frankie" and such stupid things. There are already Vatican documents issued on social online communications. One very good one came perhaps one of two years before Francis entrance on the scene. But - Documents are not a solution if the troubles are as bad, or close to it, as stated. Why are only traditionalists verbally abused then Tomas? Surely in the interests of equality all should share in being "confronted"? What is the document on the use of social media you mentioned? It passed me by unfortunately. I was trying to make a wider point about simple civility, something widely ignored or dismissed nowadays. Manners and respect reflect our belief in the sanctity and dignity of the human person. Civility will not solve all our problems but it is part of a basic foundation, without which we will never even start to address our problems.
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Post by Tomas on Feb 11, 2022 21:35:49 GMT
Even though much of the above said is accurate there may be many instances when a somewhat confrontational line becomes urgently needed. That said I very much dislike the derogatory use of "Frankie" and such stupid things. There are already Vatican documents issued on social online communications. One very good one came perhaps one of two years before Francis entrance on the scene. But - Documents are not a solution if the troubles are as bad, or close to it, as stated. Why are only traditionalists verbally abused then Tomas? Surely in the interests of equality all should share in being "confronted"? What is the document on the use of social media you mentioned? It passed me by unfortunately. I was trying to make a wider point about simple civility, something widely ignored or dismissed nowadays. Manners and respect reflect our belief in the sanctity and dignity of the human person. Civility will not solve all our problems but it is part of a basic foundation, without which we will never even start to address our problems. Hard to know whether there is something strange going on, high foul play, or if the current state is really nothing more than only some kind of lousy hype also in Church (similiar effects of disturbance as in the Globalist vaxx/virus business). That was what I meant by commenting only time will tell. If rad trads, or anyone else, goes bitterly confrontational for no reason, then there is no *acceptable point* to be made of course. Here (link last in the blog post) is the document I refered to, from my blog ten years ago: MÅNDAG 24 JANUARI 2011 Katolsk närvaro på nätet - om värdet av att vittna om trons sanning Till den årliga världsdagen för kommunikation, på den helige Frans av Sales festdag, gjorde H.H. Benedikt XVI ett intressant utlåtande om förutsättningarna och det goda syftet med kristen närvaro på internet och de nya "sociala medierna". Under en talande rubrik - Truth, Proclamation and Authenticity of Life in the Digital Age - kunde vi ta del av en framåtblickande och öppen beskrivning av möjligheter och risker, och en uppmuntran till ansvarsfullt deltagande i den digitala kommunikationen. Mot slutet av talet/skrivelsen sammanfattar Påven sitt budskap och ger en slags vägledning till de utmaningar som möter: "In the final analysis, the truth of Christ is the full and authentic response to that human desire for relationship, communion and meaning which is reflected in the immense popularity of social networks. Believers who bear witness to their most profound convictions greatly help prevent the web from becoming an instrument which depersonalizes people, attempts to manipulate them emotionally or allows those who are powerful to monopolize the opinions of others. On the contrary, believers encourage everyone to keep alive the eternal human questions which testify to our desire for transcendence and our longing for authentic forms of life, truly worthy of being lived. It is precisely this uniquely human spiritual yearning which inspires our quest for truth and for communion and which impels us to communicate with integrity and honesty." Hela texten finns att läsa på Vatikanens hemsida: www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/messages/communications/documents/hf_ben-xvi_mes_20110124_45th-world-communications-day_en.html
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Post by Tomas on Feb 11, 2022 21:47:09 GMT
I was trying to make a wider point about simple civility, something widely ignored or dismissed nowadays. Manners and respect reflect our belief in the sanctity and dignity of the human person.
Civility will not solve all our problems but it is part of a basic foundation, without which we will never even start to address our problems.
These lines are important. You make very good use of these virtues yourself, as do others in this forum. It has been encouraging to find some of you keeping your head straight even in the comment during turbulent flows now and then. Saluting this in entirety!
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Post by Stephen on Feb 21, 2022 13:36:39 GMT
Official communiqué of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter
Published 21 February 2022
On Friday, February 4, 2022, two members of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, Fr. Benoît Paul-Joseph, Superior of the District of France, and Fr. Vincent Ribeton, Rector of St. Peter’s Seminary in Wigratzbad, were received in private audience by the Holy Father, Pope Francis, for nearly an hour. During the very cordial meeting, they recalled the origins of the Fraternity in 1988, the Pope expressed that he was very impressed by the approach taken by its founders, their desire to remain faithful to the Roman Pontiff and their trust in the Church. He said that this gesture should be “preserved, protected and encouraged”. In the course of the audience, the Pope made it clear that institutes such as the Fraternity of St. Peter are not affected by the general provisions of the Motu Proprio Traditionis Custodes, since the use of the ancient liturgical books was at the origin of their existence and is provided for in their constitutions. The Holy Father subsequently sent a decree signed by him and dated February 11, the day the Fraternity was solemnly consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, confirming for the members of the Fraternity the right to use the liturgical books in force in 1962, namely: the Missal, the Ritual, the Pontifical and the Roman Breviary. Grateful to the Holy Father, the members of the Fraternity of St. Peter are in thanksgiving for this confirmation of their mission. They invite all the faithful who feel close to them as a spiritual family to attend or join them in prayer at the Mass tomorrow, on the feast of the Chair of St. Peter, and to pray for the Supreme Pontiff. Source : www.fssp.org
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Post by Séamus on Feb 23, 2022 12:30:39 GMT
Official communiqué of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter
Published 21 February 2022
On Friday, February 4, 2022, two members of the Priestly Fraternity of St. Peter, Fr. Benoît Paul-Joseph, Superior of the District of France, and Fr. Vincent Ribeton, Rector of St. Peter’s Seminary in Wigratzbad, were received in private audience by the Holy Father, Pope Francis, for nearly an hour. During the very cordial meeting, they recalled the origins of the Fraternity in 1988, the Pope expressed that he was very impressed by the approach taken by its founders, their desire to remain faithful to the Roman Pontiff and their trust in the Church. He said that this gesture should be “preserved, protected and encouraged”. In the course of the audience, the Pope made it clear that institutes such as the Fraternity of St. Peter are not affected by the general provisions of the Motu Proprio Traditionis Custodes, since the use of the ancient liturgical books was at the origin of their existence and is provided for in their constitutions. The Holy Father subsequently sent a decree signed by him and dated February 11, the day the Fraternity was solemnly consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary, confirming for the members of the Fraternity the right to use the liturgical books in force in 1962, namely: the Missal, the Ritual, the Pontifical and the Roman Breviary. Grateful to the Holy Father, the members of the Fraternity of St. Peter are in thanksgiving for this confirmation of their mission. They invite all the faithful who feel close to them as a spiritual family to attend or join them in prayer at the Mass tomorrow, on the feast of the Chair of St. Peter, and to pray for the Supreme Pontiff. Source : www.fssp.org This is a very good thing of course. The novus ordo office for Polycarp (today in the ordinary form) states "he tried to take off his shoes ,a thing he had never done before because the faithful used constantly to vie with one another to see who could touch his flesh first" If we weren't talking about apostolic times the church of Smyrna would no doubt be advised that their ritual was mediaeval and distracting. An image I came across for the feast of Peter Damian this week (16th century 'master of St Peter Damian', Ravenna museum) is remarkable for the depiction of liturgical trappings worn by a bishop who was a member of the austere St Romuald's order- gothic vestments with a dozen images set in gold cloth,an even more elaborate episcopal dalmatic underneath- even though the deacon's office is one of service- the cardinal's hat- red for martyrdom,how msny cardinals through history have had the martyred image? - hovering above the precious mitre. It was painted centuries after Peter's death and may reflect the Renaissance more than the Middle Ages,but seeing the saint himself looking so stoic,neither enjoying nor distaining his glory, might lead to a reflection on ritual as something, while not welcome or understood by all,that has importance as patrimony, importance as symbolism, importance as reminder of vocation and calling. Maybe the dalmatic is the most fancy part because it reminded the episcopacy of their call to serve all. Either way,'the master' portrays St Peter Damian as accepting the traditional dress happily,even while obviously a million miles away meeting the challenges of his stewardship.
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Post by Séamus on May 29, 2023 3:43:38 GMT
In yesterday's Pentecost sermon, His Holiness stated that the Holy Spirit is an "author of division, of ruckus, of a certain disorder" that a "true division" is a result of harmony. I assume this couldn't possibly be AI-generated and that we should be grateful that episcopal and papal sermons haven't come to that yet. Whatever he means exactly,I was sent a photo this morning or last night by somebody who yesterday completed the annual Paris to Chartres walk. The red-vestmented high mass was held in a paddock- presumably the cathedral or churches were closed to the traditional mass (As a disclaimer, I understand that some masses are in churches, others not- my friend seemed to deem this one unusual,). I notice a piece from St Paul VI is being used for the office of the new Monday-after-Pentecost feast of Mother of the Church. If is true that the abolition of the Pentecost Octave is one of the changes that Pope Paul actually didn't favour, you'd wonder if it's ironic coincidence or retroactive appeasement. Perhaps the theology of true division will now be a point for dissertations.
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