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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Nov 18, 2021 10:23:42 GMT
The exception that proves the rule on the people that came back. "The social teaching of the Church seems to emphasis the welcome to the stranger above preserving national character." You will find charity starts at home and we have an immediate need to be charitable to our Family, Friends and local Neighbors. The Spiritual and Corporate works of Mercy are required by all for Salvation. That does not mean it is prudent to destroy and Catholic Nation by importing immigrants. Do you or others think this is a post conciliar world view or something that is a historic tug of war (Open borders, etc.)? (Today the majority of the Hierarchy seem to supporting Globalism, LGBT+, Nature worship etc.) I find very little evidence in history that the Church ever took much account of borders. I stand open to correction. I don't think it's fair to run all those things together (globalism, LGBT stuff, nature worship, etc). They're separate issue. The parable of the Good Samaritan seems to say that everybody is our neighbour. Samaritans are neighbors if you look at the below map! He was walking from Jerusalem to Jericho which is the equivalent to a Man from Dublin walking from Blackrock to Bray and a Wexford man giving a hand. The man who was going down is Adam. Jerusalem is paradise, and Jericho is the world. The robbers are hostile powers. The priest is the Law, the Levite is the prophets, and the Samaritan is Christ. The wounds are disobedience, the beast is the Lord's body, the [inn], which accepts all who wish to enter, is the Church. The manager of the [inn] is the head of the Church, to whom its care has been entrusted. This view was advocated by Irenaeus, Clement, Chrysostom in Constantinople, Ambrose in Milan, and Augustine in North Africa. I think you will find that all the above issues are related and interconnected in our degenerative society.
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Post by cato on Nov 18, 2021 11:09:34 GMT
" You will find charity starts at home and we have an immediate need to be charitable to our Family, Friends and local Neighbors. The Spiritual and Corporate works of Mercy are required by all for Salvation.
Yes it begins at home but it doesn't end there?
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Nov 18, 2021 11:48:25 GMT
" You will find charity starts at home and we have an immediate need to be charitable to our Family, Friends and local Neighbors. The Spiritual and Corporate works of Mercy are required by all for Salvation. Yes it begins at home but it doesn't end there? If lay people were practicing the Spiritual and Corporate works of Mercy on there Family, Friends and local Neighbors (includes all the people in your locality) we would have a lot less problems. I don't think the average lay person is called to do more than this. Its basically the churches teaching on Subsidiarity. (Decisions should be taken at a local level if possible, rather than by a central authority) Village Scene with Children Shucking Corn is a painting by Aldo Fortunati
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Post by cato on Nov 18, 2021 14:01:59 GMT
]You will find charity starts at home and we have an immediate need to be charitable to our Family, Friends and local Neighbors. The Spiritual and Corporate works of Mercy are required by all for Salvation. Yes it begins at home but it doesn't end there?[/quote]If lay people were practicing the Spiritual and Corporate works of Mercy on there Family, Friends and local Neighbors (includes all the people in your locality) we would have a lot less problems. I don't think the average lay person is called to do more than this. Its basically the churches teaching on Subsidiarity. (Decisions should be taken at a local level if possible, rather than by a central authority) Village Scene with Children Shucking Corn is a painting by Aldo Fortunati[/quote] Most of us don't help our neighbours though. It's now seen as the states responsibility. In urban centres unfortunately most of us don't even know our neighbour's names. Subsidiarity is nice in principle but it requires a strong sense of civic pride and responsibility. In Ireland localism has generated petty corruption , and pot hole fixated politicians with limited vision.
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Nov 18, 2021 14:29:20 GMT
A technical question: Cato how did you reply to my comment? As I cant reply back to your comment at the moment. This isn't the first time this has happened.
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Post by cato on Nov 18, 2021 14:52:14 GMT
A technical question: Cato how did you reply to my comment? As I cant reply back to your comment at the moment. This isn't the first time this has happened. Hi Sean. I just used the quote feature as normal. Can't think of what the issue could be.
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Nov 18, 2021 15:19:08 GMT
A technical question: Cato how did you reply to my comment? As I cant reply back to your comment at the moment. This isn't the first time this has happened. Hi Sean. I just used the quote feature as normal. Can't think of what the issue could be. That worked, not sure
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Apr 6, 2022 10:55:01 GMT
Thank God! Someone else coming to Ireland to tell us how racist we are! Even the Irish Times commenters are getting sick of this. I wish the woman well, she seems nice, but surely one should at least pause to take stock before setting about reforming your host country? I remember asking Dublin Bus, when they were running a particular anti-racism campaign, how often they get actual reports of racist incidents on buses. They said about one a week. If you think about the amount of bus journeys per week, that seems pretty minor, especially as I'm sure it's all self-reported and subjective.
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Post by cato on Apr 7, 2022 8:56:21 GMT
Thank God! Someone else coming to Ireland to tell us how racist we are! Even the Irish Times commenters are getting sick of this. I wish the woman well, she seems nice, but surely one should at least pause to take stock before setting about reforming your host country? I remember asking Dublin Bus, when they were running a particular anti-racism campaign, how often they get actual reports of racist incidents on buses. They said about one a week. If you think about the amount of bus journeys per week, that seems pretty minor, especially as I'm sure it's all self-reported and subjective. I am 100% certain Irish people receive no suspicion , hostility or bad manners in any foreign country they have ever travelled to.
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Post by Antaine on Apr 9, 2022 8:00:34 GMT
The fact that she "seems" nice doesn't mean much to me. The entire BLM movement in this country toned its rhetoric down after getting a bit of pushback from the Irish, changing the message from "Ireland is systemically racist" to "well we're not saying Ireland is racist, but that we want it to be anti-racist." A man can politely tell a turkey that he needs to get in the oven so the man can cook him, but the turkey is still cooked either way.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Apr 9, 2022 12:08:29 GMT
The fact that she "seems" nice doesn't mean much to me. The entire BLM movement in this country toned its rhetoric down after getting a bit of pushback from the Irish, changing the message from "Ireland is systemically racist" to "well we're not saying Ireland is racist, but that we want it to be anti-racist." A man can politely tell a turkey that he needs to get in the oven so the man can cook him, but the turkey is still cooked either way. I agree. It's purely rhetorical on my part. I think conservatives should do everything they can to refute the accusation of "hatred" by using polite and courteous language at all times, and erring on the side of generosity as far as possible. (When you dig a bit deeper into the rhetoric of "anti-racism", you come to the claim that not being anti-racist IS essentially being racist, so the distinction they are making is mendacious. Personally I think racism and anti-racism are two sides of the same coin; both place an undue emphasis on skin colour.)
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Post by Stephen on Apr 21, 2022 10:09:05 GMT
The fact that she "seems" nice doesn't mean much to me. The entire BLM movement in this country toned its rhetoric down after getting a bit of pushback from the Irish, changing the message from "Ireland is systemically racist" to "well we're not saying Ireland is racist, but that we want it to be anti-racist." A man can politely tell a turkey that he needs to get in the oven so the man can cook him, but the turkey is still cooked either way. I agree. It's purely rhetorical on my part. I think conservatives should do everything they can to refute the accusation of "hatred" by using polite and courteous language at all times, and erring on the side of generosity as far as possible. (When you dig a bit deeper into the rhetoric of "anti-racism", you come to the claim that not being anti-racist IS essentially being racist, so the distinction they are making is mendacious. Personally I think racism and anti-racism are two sides of the same coin; both place an undue emphasis on skin colour.) The use of polite and courteous language is very welcomed. Nothing turns me off more that a gutter mouth. As long as we remain strong and don't move an inch on are values. As the Holy Father says “It’s true that you cannot react with violence, but if my aide Doctor Gasbarri, who is a friend, badmouths my mother, a punch would be coming for him,”.
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Post by eala on Mar 15, 2023 18:31:19 GMT
]If you consider whiteness essential to Irishness, I would ask: why? Yes, the vast majority of Irish people have been white through history. But at one point the vast majority of Irish people had been pagan. And indeed there is a guy who is constantly commenting on The Burkean who considers Christianity a foreign, un-Irish religion. I think it makes more sense to base Irishness on culture....etc.... Do you have a link for the guy on the Burkean?
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Post by eala on Mar 18, 2023 16:50:10 GMT
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