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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 2, 2023 10:20:26 GMT
Anti-Semitism is animosity towards the Jewish people. We don't have to bother with definitions of race and religion. The Jewish people is perfectly clear. Everybody knows what it means.
Cato I'm also depressed by the Anti-Semitism on show here, but tragically it's burgeoning on the Irish right and maybe it's better to address it. The logic of Anti-Semitism means that any attempt to silence it is taken as confirmation of a dark Jewish cabal running everything. Including this forum, presumably.
I'm sorry I can't weigh in more. I'm having an accommodation crisis right now and have been literally sleeping in a hallway for almost a fortnight. Prayers welcome.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 2, 2023 10:42:53 GMT
And Cato is right. There are plenty of dank internet dungeons full of triple brackets and edgy jokes about the goyim and sixty million Jews being killed in the Holocaust. I'm sure the historical revisionism will be more welcome there.
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Post by Tomas on Aug 2, 2023 10:58:21 GMT
Anti-Semitism is animosity towards the Jewish people. We don't have to bother with definitions of race and religion. The Jewish people is perfectly clear. Everybody knows what it means. Cato I'm also depressed by the Anti-Semitism on show here, but tragically it's burgeoning on the Irish right and maybe it's better to address it. The logic of Anti-Semitism means that any attempt to silence it is taken as confirmation of a dark Jewish cabal running everything. Including this forum, presumably. I'm sorry I can't weigh in more. I'm having an accommodation crisis right now and have been literally sleeping in a hallway for almost a fortnight. Prayers welcome. Proper antisemitism is clear as water of course. What I mentioned was only about the uses of the term. In specific: the common misuses of the term. When taking is as "everyhting is forbidden, no critical speech is allowed about anything, if someone in the discussion is Jewish" i.e. never allowed to say anything against someone who is a Jew. Not many Jews would agree on that nonsense way of use the word antisemitism! Taking it to such wierd extent that for everything said about anything, with the sole tiny link being that some in the argument whatever position (for, against, neutral) were a Jew, would actually endorse that nothing said can be allowed to be said because the one you said it too is Jewish. That obviously does not make sense. It has not to do with the real antisemitism which points out something "because you are a Jew". That deliberate misuse of an always essential badly needed term is just a facet of the plain PC, closer to Orwellianism than philosophy or love for truth and reason. There is not a matter at stake in any kind of aspect from my part around the term in its origin or proper meaning, not at all for that use! Self-evidently it would be extremely unsound to question the real antisemitism in that proper sense, the school book definiton that near to everyone ought to agree on. But there appears to be two altogether questions mixed up here now. If you label each other here or not is prudential. Wrongly or not asking odd questions or touching upon troublesome conspiracy theories is not always plain wrong either. If wrong, then it just stands in disrepute. What losses are worst?
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Post by hilary on Aug 2, 2023 11:07:27 GMT
Anti-Semitism is animosity towards the Jewish people. We don't have to bother with definitions of race and religion. The Jewish people is perfectly clear. Everybody knows what it means. Cato I'm also depressed by the Anti-Semitism on show here, but tragically it's burgeoning on the Irish right and maybe it's better to address it. The logic of Anti-Semitism means that any attempt to silence it is taken as confirmation of a dark Jewish cabal running everything. Including this forum, presumably. I'm sorry I can't weigh in more. I'm having an accommodation crisis right now and have been literally sleeping in a hallway for almost a fortnight. Prayers welcome. Sorry to hear that Maolsheachlann - hope you will be sorted out soon. I don't have any animosity towards Jewish people - why would I? There are hardly any Jews very near where I live (that I know of). I do occasionally see some Jewish people going to the synagogue and I like to see that. I used to work with a Jewish girl in London in the '80's and we got on great. She did fit the stereotype though and she was proud of it. I thought of her when Kevin Myers was being dragged through the mud. A relation by marriage has married a Jew too in the US and you couldn't meet a nicer person. My great-great (great?) grandmother had a very Jewish sounding name but I haven't been able to go back further. So, no, I don't have any animosity towards Jewish people. I don't think "the Jewish people" should be given a special status though. We're all God's children.
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Post by Tomas on Aug 2, 2023 11:20:49 GMT
Anti-Semitism is animosity towards the Jewish people. We don't have to bother with definitions of race and religion. The Jewish people is perfectly clear. Everybody knows what it means. Cato I'm also depressed by the Anti-Semitism on show here, but tragically it's burgeoning on the Irish right and maybe it's better to address it. The logic of Anti-Semitism means that any attempt to silence it is taken as confirmation of a dark Jewish cabal running everything. Including this forum, presumably. I'm sorry I can't weigh in more. I'm having an accommodation crisis right now and have been literally sleeping in a hallway for almost a fortnight. Prayers welcome. Sorry to hear that Maolsheachlann - hope you will be sorted out soon. I don't have any animosity towards Jewish people - why would I? There are hardly any Jews very near where I live (that I know of). I do occasionally see some Jewish people going to the synagogue and I like to see that. I used to work with a Jewish girl in London in the '80's and we got on great. She did fit the stereotype though and she was proud of it. I thought of her when Kevin Myers was being dragged through the mud. A relation by marriage has married a Jew too in the US and you couldn't meet a nicer person. My great-great (great?) grandmother had a very Jewish sounding name but I haven't been able to go back further. So, no, I don't have any animosity towards Jewish people. I don't think "the Jewish people" should be given a special status though. We're all God's children. I do think they should have a special status. No people are like them, in biblical terms. This is a good thing to ponder by any means! To deal in absolutes generally tends to blur but I think conversation, in any matter, is almost always (like in this thread) somehow beneficial among conservatives. Glad to hear your kind and friendly approach towards your next, and that was just what I had thought of from the beginning of the thread as well. p.s. no men can demand status as being immune to meet with critical views. Base problem with lies in public might be that it most often is the base public that goes on shouting. Same with antisemitism as with communism or nazism in that. Those in the crowd wanting Barabbas instead of Jesus, and those folks later shouting for progroms, or now spreading far fetched conspiracry theories as compulsion business, ironically often directed against certain big business perhaps labeled Jewish, were not especially fair...
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Post by cato on Aug 2, 2023 13:47:18 GMT
Minor inpass: the numbers, around 6 millions, would most likely be historical accurate. Neither David Irving "research" or Jew-haters need to be taken as serious contenders to meticulous historians. But... this forum would be best not indulging in narrow bans due to different personal views or understandings. It would be sad if various disagreements would turn into sour censoring. Apart from some few trolls, no bans have been necessary during all these years. Hopefully the special urgency in the Holocaust evil should not change the general tone of the forum in favour of broad room for debate or food for thoughts. I think we banned someone for outrageous trolling and somebody else who was inciting illegality of some sort. We tend to have a light touch but historically many heroic and courageous conservatives did resist and fight Nazism . Sadly a cohort of the right did get into bed with Nazism in many defeated European powers mistakenly seeing them as the lessee of two evils. Some on the right today in common with the far left and Islamists are obsessed with the Jewish state and the alleged Jewish conspiracy against the west. Many on the progressive left believe all conservatives are closet Nazis. People who post careless or badly thought out queries or claims here and on social media in general can inadvertently (I hope) provide ammunition to the enemies of freedom and tradition.
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Post by cato on Aug 2, 2023 13:52:39 GMT
[quote So, no, I don't have any animosity towards Jewish people.
I don't think "the Jewish people" should be given a special status though. We're all God's children.[/quote]
We aren't all God's children at least not in Christian theology. The Jews are the chosen people of the original biblical covenant. Christians are the Children of that fulfilled covenant in Christ by divine adoption.
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Post by Tomas on Aug 2, 2023 14:16:47 GMT
Minor inpass: the numbers, around 6 millions, would most likely be historical accurate. Neither David Irving "research" or Jew-haters need to be taken as serious contenders to meticulous historians. But... this forum would be best not indulging in narrow bans due to different personal views or understandings. It would be sad if various disagreements would turn into sour censoring. Apart from some few trolls, no bans have been necessary during all these years. Hopefully the special urgency in the Holocaust evil should not change the general tone of the forum in favour of broad room for debate or food for thoughts. I think we banned someone for outrageous trolling and somebody else who was inciting illegality of some sort. We tend to have a light touch but historically many heroic and courageous conservatives did resist and fight Nazism . Sadly a cohort of the right did get into bed with Nazism in many defeated European powers mistakenly seeing them as the lessee of two evils. Some on the right today in common with the far left and Islamists are obsessed with the Jewish state and the alleged Jewish conspiracy against the west. Many on the progressive left believe all conservatives are closet Nazis. People who post careless or badly thought out queries or claims here and on social media in general can inadvertently (I hope) provide ammunition to the enemies of freedom and tradition. Yes blame to where it belongs. If indicating that almost everyone utterly rightwing-label would be leaning to nazism it is perhaps too onesided suggestive. Or as examplified: someone gotten (too much) suspicious in regard of some prominent Jewish players (when not indulging any bizarre groupthink-allegation "the Jewish race" or some such lunacy) asking what is correct in this or that conflict, is not by necessity to be banned from expressing his or hers concern or bafflement or confusion at some of the stronger unknown state of affairs on the Globalist scale. I am not willing to defend any antisemitism. But what I try to point at is fairness, how it could on the other end just as easily be a lean around to a strawman view of the problem, like: look he is a bastard antisemite uttering inappropiate stuff from the lousiest internet sources. Truth is often several different bricks together, more than emotional disturbances due to the (still good) core values.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 3, 2023 9:22:47 GMT
www.bitchute.com/video/QM1tw0EgB4VT/The subject line of this video is: "Gemma O'Doherty and E. Michael Jones discuss the collapsing anti-Christ Jewish narrative which dominates every aspect of global discussion." So would we all agree that this is anti-semitic in itself? I don't have time to watch the video. I watched a bit of it but it was five minutes of self-congratulation and boasting about Twitter bans. There are things I agree with O'Doherty and Jones about, such as the evil sexual indoctrination of children. But that doesn't make their anti-semitism any less egregious.
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Post by Tomas on Aug 3, 2023 9:32:29 GMT
www.bitchute.com/video/QM1tw0EgB4VT/The subject line of this video is: "Gemma O'Doherty and E. Michael Jones discuss the collapsing anti-Christ Jewish narrative which dominates every aspect of global discussion." So would we all agree that this is anti-semitic in itself? I don't have time to watch the video. I watched a bit of it but it was five minutes of self-congratulation and boasting about Twitter bans. There are things I agree with O'Doherty and Jones about, such as the evil sexual indoctrination of children. But that doesn't make their anti-semitism any less egregious. Surely lots of antisemitism online and offline. No other way than to acknowledge that.
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Post by cato on Aug 3, 2023 13:00:32 GMT
E Michael Jones is vehemently anti semitic and obsessed with Jewish conspiracy to the point of being unhinged.
Its a terrible pity as he is an intelligent thinker who has written some interesting work on modern psychology, music architecture, art , the sexual revolution etc.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 9, 2023 10:08:52 GMT
Today is the Feast Day of St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, or St. Edith Stein, who was murdered in Auschwitz for being Jewish, along with her sister.
Or was she? What definite proof do we have? She was supposedly cremated, which is very convenient since we have no remains to examine. I can't find any eyewitness accounts.
Obviously, I'm being grimly satirical here. We know she was murdered, along with millions of her fellow Jews. Does the exact number matter? But you can apply random scepticism to ANY historical fact, which by their nature are not amenable to instant verification. We rely on historical sources and contemporary accounts every single day. If we questioned them all to the standard that the Holocaust is questioned, we would be in a perpetual limbo of agnosticism.
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Post by Tomas on Aug 9, 2023 11:06:37 GMT
Today also the Hiroshima date. Worst memorial ever besides the Holocaust. The American that "did his duty" and dropped the unspeakable unheard of Evil over Nagasaki was 33rd grade Freemason according to sources. Incidentally Freemason or not incidentally. That could be a debatable question for any historical cenference, if it were not as Political Incorrect as deemed. Are all such to be dismissed due to either sceptical sense or denied facts, by convenience or conventional conformity in conclusions? No I am only doing a staggering attempt to broaden the lack of trust problem too. There are good and bad men in every kind of group. History works patient and slow, in a good sense precisely as the Jewish memory, the Long Memory namely (according to what several very sensical thinkers use to say).
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Post by hilary on Aug 9, 2023 12:23:35 GMT
[quote So, no, I don't have any animosity towards Jewish people. I don't think "the Jewish people" should be given a special status though. We're all God's children. (quote) We aren't all God's children at least not in Christian theology. The Jews are the chosen people of the original biblical covenant. Christians are the Children of that fulfilled covenant in Christ by divine adoption. "For Christ himself has brought us peace by making Jews and Gentiles one people. With his own body he broke down the wall that separated them and kept them enemies. He abolished the Jewish Law with its commandments and rules, in order to create out of the two races one new people in union with himself, in this way making peace." (Ephesians 2.14-16) "It is through Christ that all of us, Jews and Gentiles, are able to come in the one Spirit into the presence of the Father" (Ephesians 2.18) You are right to say we are not all God's children. To those who rejected Jesus and tried to kill Him He said "You are the children of your father, the Devil, and you want to follow your father's desires". (John 8.44) He also said that "Abraham did nothing like this" (John 8.40). I think Christians believe that all are created by God and He wants us all to return to Him through Jesus. Pope Francis uses the image of God's family when talking about different denominations and faiths. It's challenging not to be superficial and complacent though, and to confront the difficult differences honestly. Maybe our ancestors were better at this than we are.
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Post by hilary on Aug 9, 2023 13:29:24 GMT
Today is the Feast Day of St. Teresa Benedicta of the Cross, or St. Edith Stein, who was murdered in Auschwitz for being Jewish, along with her sister. Or was she? What definite proof do we have? She was supposedly cremated, which is very convenient since we have no remains to examine. I can't find any eyewitness accounts. Obviously, I'm being grimly satirical here. We know she was murdered, along with millions of her fellow Jews. Does the exact number matter? But you can apply random scepticism to ANY historical fact, which by their nature are not amenable to instant verification. We rely on historical sources and contemporary accounts every single day. If we questioned them all to the standard that the Holocaust is questioned, we would be in a perpetual limbo of agnosticism. You can apply random scepticism to any historical fact, but you can also apply balance and if someone sees something that begs a question, and asks that question I think St Teresa Benedicta would not object. She is no doubt in heaven enjoying her reward and has forgiven her oppressors. The question I have is.....how do they know "she probably died on the 9th of August"? (Running for cover!)
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