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Post by Stephen on Jul 25, 2017 13:21:51 GMT
Why do a lot of people in Ireland hate Dublin?
1) I think part of it stems from an idea that people from Dublin think anyone outside of Dublin is a culchies, boggers and farmers. (Point of note, This drives me mad)
2) Another reason maybe that Dublin/the Pale was seen as a foreign place for so many centuries.
3) Some Think it is a dirty place that is full of moral decay.
There is also a similar thing with Northerns and Southerns!! Maybe it is human nature to have us and them mentalities.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 25, 2017 13:37:20 GMT
I think "us and them" mentalities are great. It builds communities and allegiances!
As a lifelong Dubliner, I DO see all non-Dubliners as culchies, boggers and farmers, but that's a very positive thing in my eyes.
As a Northside Dubliner, I have to deal with the "scanger", which is an Irish version of an Orc, but more obnoxious. Some of my friends call them Cro-Magnons. May be worth a thread in themselves.
Dublin IS the centre of moral decay in Ireland. No getting away from it.
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Post by Stephen on Jul 25, 2017 14:48:03 GMT
You are now my enemy sir and have insulted my honour. For that, you must die. How can some one from inner city Cork or Belfast be a culchy, boggers and farmers? |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 25, 2017 15:06:57 GMT
I don't think it through that deeply. I just hear the name of any place outside Dublin and I see an image of a cow standing in a field, and a fresh-faced girl in wellies.
I don't think cities are so great.
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Post by servantofthechief on Jul 25, 2017 16:15:06 GMT
Speaking as a culchie, pretty much it equates to 'countryside people' in my mind which, funnily enough, is what Dubliners used to call culchies 'country people' and the market in Dublin was the day the country people came to town with herds of animals blocking streets heading to the market. No one so much as blinked at it all. Rare auld times indeed, when Dublin was still the town it was meant to be and not the city it masquerades as.
In my mind culchie includes everyone from Paddy McFarmer all the way up to and including small cities and towns which are sufficiently rural.
Also out of curiosity what is a scanger?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 25, 2017 16:29:46 GMT
A scanger is a humanoid creature, indigenous to working class areas of North Dublin. They speak in nasal tones, walk with a stiff gait, and dress in sports wear. They are often petty criminals and speak openly of their drug use and spells in prison. They enjoy rap and hip hop and ofteb play it at loud volumes on the bus, where they gravitate towards the back of the top deck and smoke cannabis. They bear a smouldering sense of grievance towards all authority, no matter how benevolent or indulgent. See also chav, scobie.
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Post by cato on Jul 25, 2017 16:37:24 GMT
Why do some people hate Dublin?
Because they are jealous and consumed by envy?
As a legal alien non Dublin born resident of our great capital I love living here. I ll post later on some of the wonderful aspects of life in Dublin 😎
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 25, 2017 16:46:43 GMT
I have a love-hate relationship with Dublin.
I remember, in my secondary school in Glasnevin, there were some kids from Ashbourne in Meath and they were routinely ribbed for coming from a backwater. I envied them as backwaters seemed more interesting to me.
I guess I have some pride in the literary legacy.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 25, 2017 16:49:00 GMT
Of course the envy thing is also true. Dubliners are a natural aristocracy. I'm so blasé about that though.
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Post by cato on Jul 26, 2017 18:17:00 GMT
In the Expugnato Hibernica Giraldus Cambrensis says Diarmuit mc Murchada in 1170 attacked Dublin aided by Norman allies " He hated the citizens of Dublin more than all the other inhabitants of Ireland". Apparently the (norse) Dubs had killed Diarmuit's dad and buried him with a dog under their assembly area.
This seems to be the first historical account of anti Dublin prejudice.
Diarmuit has gone down in traditional history as the traitor who invited the perfidious Saxons to Ireland.
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Post by servantofthechief on Jul 26, 2017 18:41:42 GMT
Wait I thought Diarmuit mc Murchada WAS the king of Dublin and he had got kicked off his throne, hence why he went to the Normans for help and ended up damning the rest of us to being conquered by foreigners.
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Post by cato on Jul 26, 2017 19:22:58 GMT
Medieval Ireland was made up of scores of mini-kingdoms. The cities of Dublin , Waterford ,Wexford, Limerick and Cork were semi-independent norse-Irish city states. Diarmuit was the deposed king of Leinster (which didn't include Dublin )overthrown by the High King (the technical over Lord King) Rory . It was a pretty confusing political time.
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Post by kj on Jul 29, 2017 7:33:41 GMT
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 29, 2017 7:56:05 GMT
I've actually never noticed much animosity to Dublin myself.
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Post by ZenoOfCitium on Jul 29, 2017 10:29:14 GMT
I've actually never noticed much animosity to Dublin myself. You need to get out and about in the country beyond Dublin then and you'll hear plenty of it. I like trips to Dublin, sometimes leisure and sometimes work, but I always like leaving the place. I'd hate to ever have to live or even work there. I prefer the wild and empty places along the western seaboard. I like space around me and the rhythm of the year apparent not only in nature, but in the life and patterns of the farms around me. |
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