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Post by MourningIreland on Nov 16, 2017 18:30:42 GMT
I just don't know of any candidates in Ireland at present, is there anyone we know who has been noticeably quiet in recent years? That may be a Trump-like holding his tongue.
Declan Ganley, if he is still interested (I wouldn't blame him if he is not). I don't know of anyone else offhand, but that doesn't mean they aren't there.
Although I don't know how much good he can do in our system, both our parties are terrible, the Taoiseach can be hamstrung by the Tanistes and while the Senate is mostly harmless (mostly) it can still be a headache unless we get a lot of seanadóirí on board.
None of this will matter if the grassroots demands change; we could even see a takeover of the mainstream parties if the grassroots demanded it. Democratic social change remains on the boil for a very long time, then emerges swiftly, America 2016 being a case in point. The Trump movement really began 10+ years ago with the Tea Party, which fizzled out (or appeared to). Timing is everything; if Trump had been imprudent and run against Obama in 2008 or 2012 he would have flopped.
Ganley's Libertas campaign went nowhere because there was no appetite at the time; whether he would be more successful today I don't know. I don't think there is a real appetite for political change yet in Ireland and this is what worries me most: that by the time that appetite develops (and it will) the wolf will be at the door and it will be too late, our country will be gone. It is against this backdrop that I am not surprised that Ireland appears leaderless at the moment. What I place my hope in is that our future leadership is now hidden.
If we're changing this, based on the way things are going in Europe, I do not think it will happen through normal democratic means if we want this to happen before Trucks of Peace hurtle through O'Connell's street. What are our generals like? Has anyone any insight on our military?
None, sorry. I do think there are always sleeper White Hats in every public institution and Ireland would be no exception.
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Post by servantofthechief on Nov 16, 2017 18:34:44 GMT
Well either way, nothing will happen undemocratically without the Military having a say so. There is, I think, no greater organisation in Ireland that would be so vividly upset by a breach in the constitution if there is one. So at the very least, we're safe from a marxist revolution, but commies raising hell isn't the main concern here in Ireland.
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Post by MourningIreland on Nov 16, 2017 18:49:15 GMT
This is my favourite image of Trump. I call it, "Hold on America, we are coming for you." If you study the body language you see that neither man is looking at the other, each is lost in his own thoughts of what lies ahead, but they are wholly united and resolute. This is the kind of masculine leadership we will need if Ireland is to survive. It has emerged numerous times through the centuries here but can be seen almost nowhere here today. Instead we have Fintan O'Toole tweeting about sexual harassment. Lord help us. www.jta.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/trump-and-bannon.jpg |
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Post by kj on Nov 16, 2017 18:53:23 GMT
Fintan has been announced this week as Seamus Heaney's official biographer. You can be sure every second page will contain reference to Irish 'backwardness', 'atavism', 'Catholic pieties', etc etc and will end with liberal triumphalism and Seamus ascending to heaven escorted by transgender angels, having nobly risen above politics and history, and smiling down approvingly on the 'brave new Ireland'.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 16, 2017 19:02:36 GMT
An insanely overrated poet, in my view.
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Post by servantofthechief on Nov 16, 2017 19:02:54 GMT
Fintan has been announced this week as Seamus Heaney's official biographer. You can be sure every second page will contain reference to Irish 'backwardness', 'atavism', 'Catholic pieties', etc etc and will end with liberal triumphalism and Seamus ascending to heaven escorted by transgender angels, having nobly risen above politics and history, and smiling down approvingly on the 'brave new Ireland'. In the immortal words of the internet: Pls no. But man, are we really hurting that badly for masculine role models in this country? Seriously? We're internationally reknownd for bloody mindedness and masculinity in our stereotypes, how did we really fall to our pathetic lot? Actually come to think of it, that must be why most New Irelanders absolutely despise Conor McGregor, his unabashed Catholicism and bravado even with his many flaws, he is emblematic of the stereotypical Irish man. More to the point he is emblematic of what I like to call 'Old Dublin', and having that sticking in the eye of everyone wanting to Make Dublin a new World liberal Babylon has got to be grating. He's even Ginger for goodness' sake! |
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Post by kj on Nov 16, 2017 19:03:51 GMT
Always bored me witless. An 'Establishment' poet if ever there was one.
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Post by MourningIreland on Nov 16, 2017 19:06:17 GMT
But man, are we really hurting that badly for masculine role models in this country? Seriously? We're internationally reknownd for bloody mindedness and masculinity in our stereotypes, how did we really fall to our pathetic lot?
Via social engineering, and it didn't happen overnight. These colonisers are long-term planners.
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Post by kj on Nov 16, 2017 19:15:19 GMT
It's been said here before many times and many ways, but Mary Robinson's election as President in 1990 was the beginning of the end. People like Una Mullally and Eimear O'Toole are now regarded as the moral consciousness of 'the nation'. And Fintan, of course, who is a leftist-globalist. Ireland really needs someone like Peter Hitchens in the media. John Waters had his moments, but always seemed brittle and easily damaged - Myers had his moments, but played contrarian for contrarian's sake too often.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 16, 2017 19:45:42 GMT
It's been said here before many times and many ways, but Mary Robinson's election as President in 1990 was the beginning of the end. People like Una Mullally and Eimear O'Toole are now regarded as the moral consciousness of 'the nation'. And Fintan, of course, who is a leftist-globalist. Ireland really needs someone like Peter Hitchens in the media. John Waters had his moments, but always seemed brittle and easily damaged - Myers had his moments, but played contrarian for contrarian's sake too often. I must admit I'm not terribly impressed by John Waters taking off to America. We need him here. Perhaps the real leadership will come from new media like Dave Cullen, rather than old media, and from the old cultural institutions in general. |
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Post by servantofthechief on Nov 16, 2017 20:01:25 GMT
I like Dave Cullen enough most of the time, but he still strikes me as having that typical 'Sceptic' need to maintain his atheist secular credentials that a lot of his fellow travellers on youtube seem to have, even though he's become more openly conservative as of late he is still a bit too far left for a real Conservative talking head.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 16, 2017 20:30:39 GMT
He did make one video admitting he'd been too harsh on religion in the past.
Possibly placating new subscribers! :-)
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Post by tomás laserian on Nov 18, 2017 7:26:54 GMT
He did make one video admitting he'd been too harsh on religion in the past. Possibly placating new subscribers! :-) could geldof's criticism of a female politician, from a majority Buddhist "the peace religion" country to boot,be considered a trailblazing break of the mould? ? |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 18, 2017 10:56:11 GMT
To be fair to Geldof, who I despise, he's always been pretty outspoken about father's rights and men's rights. (Though I HATE using the word "rights".)
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Post by MourningIreland on Nov 19, 2017 0:35:01 GMT
It's been said here before many times and many ways, but Mary Robinson's election as President in 1990 was the beginning of the end. People like Una Mullally and Eimear O'Toole are now regarded as the moral consciousness of 'the nation'. And Fintan, of course, who is a leftist-globalist. Ireland really needs someone like Peter Hitchens in the media. John Waters had his moments, but always seemed brittle and easily damaged - Myers had his moments, but played contrarian for contrarian's sake too often. Here is only a sample of what Waters puts up with publicly. Some of it is relatively mild, but some is vile; much of it is from Irish men. This is our country today. Imagine if these words were directed at a female "pro-repeal" Irish journalist: |
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