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Post by cato on Nov 6, 2019 16:08:51 GMT
Justine Mc Carthy a cheer leader for progressive Irish Republicanism of the Sinn Fein variety asked this question in last week's Sunday Times. It didn't dawn on her to suggest a party which has a leader once every 30 years , allows no dissent and has a military wing which engaged in ethnic cleansing, political murder and torture might qualify as extreme right. That is a blind spot most of our media have as Sinn Fein also claims to be leftist. That forgives a multitude of sins. Incidently one Sinn Fein senator claims the rather macho homophobic IRA of the 1980s launched the hunger strikes to fight for gay rights!
It is ironic a Sinn Fein TD Martin Kenny in Sligo who condemned anti immigrant protests ,is now the subject of death threats and had his car burned recently. All violence and threats are wrong but is there an Irish word for Karma?
Miss Mc Carthy names Grand Torono, Gemma O Doherty,Justin Barrett, Peter Casey ,and John Waters ie less than half a dozen people who have dared publically criticise, some more eloquently than others , the greatest population movement ever in our history. This article is another shabby attempt to claim there is some sinister hard right conspiracy out there held back only by valiant journalists like herself and leftist activists.
There probably are Irish Nazis. They could probably all fit into a phone box if you could find one. In modern Ireland the far left and their sympathisers have far more influence but this is rarely reported on. The branding of any one who is anxious about government immigration policy as far right is simply a successful bullying and silencing tactic.
I wonder would Justine ever write an article on the mainstream Irish right. I would love to know who is in it. Maybe the lack of a moderate right wing party is one reason why people are frustrated and feel destroying property is the only way they can express their opposition to government diktat.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 6, 2019 16:24:51 GMT
None of those figures are far-right in any meaningful sense-- I haven't heard any of them advocate racialism, or anti-semitism, or single-party government, or any such thing. Of course, if being far-right simply means criticism of mass immigration and the asylum industry, I imagine vast swathes of the Irish people are far right. Certainly, most people I know express such reservations in private, including people who are not at all right-wing. But let's admit that the Klu Klux Klan are operative in Newtownards, apparently. (Trigger warning: figures in white hoods shown in picture accompanying this report.) www.thejournal.ie/ku-klux-klan-newtownards-4330122-Nov2018/
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Post by cato on Nov 20, 2019 12:02:25 GMT
Gemma O Doherty is running in Fingal in the by elections called for November 29 to replace the 4 TDs who won European seats and who have now moved onto more lucrative overseas accommodation. In that election Gemma O Connor got slightly under 2% of the vote . She got no air time naturally.
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Post by Stephen on Nov 20, 2019 12:18:17 GMT
Thie list of "Far-right" above is a joke...
Can I assume Gemma O Doherty is running as more of public awareness to the issues? I don't think she has a chance at winning!
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Post by cato on Nov 28, 2019 21:06:19 GMT
The head of the Gardai Drew Harris has said today the far right is rising in Ireland inspired by forces outside the state and that he wants hate laws to police and prosecute this phenomena. He also said hate crimes are under reported. Of course no journalist will ask him how he knows this.[ None of these shadowy people were named.
I can't imagine him ever stating that he thinks the number of assaults , murders or thefts is under reported funnily enough.
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Post by cato on Nov 29, 2019 19:56:00 GMT
Garda head Drew Harris has said in relation to the return of former soldier and later Isis bride Lisa Smith that Ireland does not need a deradicalisation policy because of the small numbers involved. That may or may not be accurate but surely when it comes to national security we should err on the side of caution.
It is strange that the same officer is quite prepared to interfere with the right to free speech of the whole population to prevent a small group of far rightists stirring up trouble.
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Post by cato on Aug 29, 2020 12:26:18 GMT
There have been a few recent developments that are worthy of comment mainly in connection with street protests.
The media has been critical of protests involving various "populist" groups but have given BLM a thumbs up as one would expect. It is interesting in passing to note demonstrations of whatever complexion do not seem to have caused any increase in Covid that I am aware of.
Suspending the right to demonstrate was a drastic step that was not objected to by any of the human rights groups in March when lockdown began. Most of these groups get state funding which may explain their silence. Gemma O Doherty and co. were the only group that objected to the ban and were widely ridiculed for it by mainstream Ireland. I don't subscribe to her conspiracy theories and Covid denial but she did make valid points about draconian legislation and the dangers surrounding it. Her nasty comments towards Gardai and individualised threats to punish them come her victory are disturbing and vindictive. She shares these videos herself.
A campaign was launched against the new children's minister based on a photograph in which he appeared with gay libertarian and free speech advocate Peter Tatchell. It was alleged the minister shared Tatchells views on paedophilia but no proof was offered. A March outside the Dail got over a thousand protesters including some with posters depicting a gallows. What did this imply in a state were we have no legal death penalty? This is deeply sinister and wrong. Several people on the new right spoke at this rally which in my opinion was a nasty attempt to pander to base fears and stir up tension. I have reservations about the Trans rights agenda but this march was about whipping up hysteria.
There was another March last week which attracted several thousand people and was linked to anti mask wearing and anti vaacination causes. It wasn't right-wing as such but was branded as such on social media by opponents . An attempt by a small Antifa group to attack it lead to the antifa activists being routed.
The Burkean blog has a rather juvenile take on the march claiming that the new right now control the streets. The writer invites former republican street thugs to join the new wave. In a bit of a rant he claims among other things we will drive "The planters out". Read it for yourself. I read it with dismay and disbelief yesterday.
Three reasons why this new wave is bad news. It will be used by the mainstream as evidence of hate speech and proof we need new laws restricting speech and thought. Secondly street violence is not a game. Our largest party has links to its own gang of bully boys. In a left versus right street war they have the numbers and the skills to win. Thirdly importing the street politics of Weimar Germany won't end well. It is highly dangerous irresponsible and wrong. Do they teach 20th century history in TCD any more?
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Post by kj on Aug 29, 2020 17:59:40 GMT
Gemma and Co are receiving a lot of ridicule on FB, as far as I can make out.
The Burkean article was surreal, almost like someone taking the michael or at least being high on something.
The problem for any dissenters in contemporary Ireland is that there is no serious conservative party or organisation that could attract some people on the middle ground. The National Party has some good articles and analyses on its website, but its more extreme positions regarding the death penalty and so on are likely to alienate most people.
Thinking out loud it seems only a breakaway conservative movement from one of the main parties with already elected TDs would ever have a chance of gaining credibility, such as the PDs, but of course even that didn't last.
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Post by hilary on Aug 29, 2020 20:12:40 GMT
I think the problem for conservatives is the media. There were large protests in London and Berlin today and the rte 6 o'clock news led with an item on school buses, then on to pubs and Covid statistics. They did mention the Berlin protest then but with a negative slant. People who might vote for conservative or nationalist parties don't know about them and the media wants to keep it that way.
The anti lockdown protesters aren't all right wing. I was at the Customs House protest last week and there were quite a few young families (German/Eastern European around me) and quite a diverse, freedom-loving crowd. The speakers were great (Dolores Cahill, Marcus de Brun and a man who had been homeless and explained how it had come to that). Some parents are concerned about the effect of masks and social distancing on their young children and you can't blame them. The others must be in a daze.
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Post by assisi on Aug 30, 2020 14:24:41 GMT
There have been a few recent developments that are worthy of comment mainly in connection with street protests. The media has been critical of protests involving various "populist" groups but have given BLM a thumbs up as one would expect. It is interesting in passing to note demonstrations of whatever complexion do not seem to have caused any increase in Covid that I am aware of. Suspending the right to demonstrate was a drastic step that was not objected to by any of the human rights groups in March when lockdown began. Most of these groups get state funding which may explain their silence. Gemma O Doherty and co. were the only group that objected to the ban and were widely ridiculed for it by mainstream Ireland. I don't subscribe to her conspiracy theories and Covid denial but she did make valid points about draconian legislation and the dangers surrounding it. Her nasty comments towards Gardai and individualised threats to punish them come her victory are disturbing and vindictive. She shares these videos herself. A campaign was launched against the new children's minister based on a photograph in which he appeared with gay libertarian and free speech advocate Peter Tatchell. It was alleged the minister shared Tatchells views on paedophilia but no proof was offered. A March outside the Dail got over a thousand protesters including some with posters depicting a gallows. What did this imply in a state were we have no legal death penalty? This is deeply sinister and wrong. Several people on the new right spoke at this rally which in my opinion was a nasty attempt to pander to base fears and stir up tension. I have reservations about the Trans rights agenda but this march was about whipping up hysteria. There was another March last week which attracted several thousand people and was linked to anti mask wearing and anti vaacination causes. It wasn't right-wing as such but was branded as such on social media by opponents . An attempt by a small Antifa group to attack it lead to the antifa activists being routed. The Burkean blog has a rather juvenile take on the march claiming that the new right now control the streets. The writer invites former republican street thugs to join the new wave. In a bit of a rant he claims among other things we will drive "The planters out". Read it for yourself. I read it with dismay and disbelief yesterday. Three reasons why this new wave is bad news. It will be used by the mainstream as evidence of hate speech and proof we need new laws restricting speech and thought. Secondly street violence is not a game. Our largest party has links to its own gang of bully boys. In a left versus right street war they have the numbers and the skills to win. Thirdly importing the street politics of Weimar Germany won't end well. It is highly dangerous irresponsible and wrong. Do they teach 20th century history in TCD any more? I don't think that the Government need the example of these various populist demonstrations to get hate speech laws passed. They are currently all powerful and, aided by the media and multinationals, can do virtually anything that they want. The usual modus operandi is to get carefully selected people to go on the Late Late show and some other high profile radio show, then quote some obnoxious tweets that these people have received. Cue quivery voice, tears and a plea that all 'hate' be abolished, then game set and match to the establishments as most watchers and listeners react emotionally rather than rationally and fall for the ploy. It's easy. I think its great to see people demonstrating in numbers, and hopefully the numbers increase. But their strategy must be non-violence. If some people attack the Gardai then the many of the general public will not be won over and will turn against the movement. If I was advising Gemma and others then it would be NOT to fall into the trap of violence. The individual Guards on the street are not going to be the propagandists behind our current situations. It would be better if they let the Guards turn their attention to the masked cowards and criminals that are Antifa. As for proof that the current Minister for Children may or may not share Tatchell's paedophilia's view (he says he doesn't), we don't actually need any reference to Tatchell at all. The Minister is to be opposed on the basis of his own actions and words. He is pursuing more liberal laws so that under 16s should be able to change their gender with the consent of their parents or guardians and GP. So in essence a 7 year old could commence a catastrophic set of alterations to their body without ever understanding adult sexuality, just due to a misguided parent and a compliant GP? Why would we allow such a cruelty on a child. If a parent was found to be giving their 7 year old alcohol or heroin they would be ostracised immediately. This is worse as in many cases the damage done to the kid will be irreversible. The LGBT trajectory, in my opinion is to sexualise children's minds at a young age. The next step is to reduce the age of consent to allow pederasty. If that is achieved, and society in general is too demoralised and jaded to fight back, anything is possible.
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Post by cato on Oct 11, 2020 13:39:16 GMT
The Burkean got its answer yesterday in Dublin about who rules the streets. For those who have forgotten the Burkean website predicted a few weeks back , based on one or two anti mask protests that the new radical right controlled the streets of our capital.
I was in Dublin city centre yesterday and noticed a group of well drilled , very fit and almost 100% young men marching up O Connell St. I overheard someone say look at the Facists but strangely they also flew 2 rainbow flags along with two tricolours. They also chanted " get the facists off our streets " so it dawned on me these rather frightening men in black were the anti facists! They were very well organised and drilled. They numbered around 150.
Up at Dail Eireann Justin Barrett had a group of perhaps 50 rather less fit and frightening followers protesting about Covid restrictions. He was outnumbered by around 100 Gardai who prevented the "real facists" from being battered by the rainbow facists. 2 people were arrested from the rainbow brigade. Justin and Co. accused them of being "paedos". It was the putsch that never got off the ground. At times it resembled a playground fight that never really got started. Thankfully for the National Party.
2 thoughts have occurred to me. The anti Covid people are a diverse group of anti masker, anti Vacciners, anti 5 g, Anti paedophile, conspiracy theory types who agree only in that they are angry , confused and suspicious. They are right to be alarmed at all the sweeping away of normal democratic checks and balances but perhaps are alarmed at the wrong things. I am not aware of any protests around the scandalous nursing homes deaths for example. This diverse highly individualised group will never be the Trojan horse Barrett and Co. needs to get a firm political base.
Secondly the Gardai still control the streets, at least most of the time. The far left have a long history of monopolising low level street violence and thuggery. Their republican allies who were probably the marching boys with the rainbow flags yesterday have access to a large pool of rather pugilistic activists and those arms dumps that were never decommissioned. They haven't gone away you know.
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Post by kj on Oct 11, 2020 16:33:05 GMT
What really struck me when I was reading about this in the Indo yesterday was a report that a group of hooded men blocked off Molesworth street or whatever it's called that leads to the Dail. The reporter tried to get through but was blocked by these people. He asked one of them if they were undercover detectives and got a negative answer.
He said the Gardai were standing by and watching these men block the street.
So were they the Antifa crowd blocking the public right of way, in full view of the police who decided to let them get away with it?
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Post by Mary on Oct 11, 2020 18:53:04 GMT
I do not know what is the problem with wearing masks and social distancing. My family and I are coping with it and are glad to do so to prevent us getting. Covid 19. My adult daughter has severe asthma and would not dream of not wearing a mask despite discomfort. I live alone and am over 66. My adult children visit in accordance with government regulations. I am unable to visit my son and grandson in England which I find hard but have to accept it, some are coping with worse situations and yes my children are worried about jobs etc.
We have to accept that we need to act on the knowledge we have to fight this and hope we can return to some kind of normality soon.
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Post by cato on Oct 11, 2020 21:10:52 GMT
I do not know what is the problem with wearing masks and social distancing. My family and I are coping with it and are glad to do so to prevent us getting. Covid 19. My adult daughter has severe asthma and would not dream of not wearing a mask despite discomfort. I live alone and am over 66. My adult children visit in accordance with government regulations. I am unable to visit my son and grandson in England which I find hard but have to accept it, some are coping with worse situations and yes my children are worried about jobs etc. We have to accept that we need to act on the knowledge we have to fight this and hope we can return to some kind of normality As much as I find Mask wearing irksome it and social distancing do reduce the spread of a nasty disease which can cause significant deaths in vulnerable groups. Normally we have a pretty wide expression of rightist views expressed here but I deleted a couple of posts from some one earlier this year who claimed Covid was a hoax. It is regrettable to have to censor anything but these bizarre untruths are not made in good faith. Peddling deliberately objective falsehoods is unacceptable.
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Post by cato on Oct 11, 2020 21:15:30 GMT
What really struck me when I was reading about this in the Indo yesterday was a report that a group of hooded men blocked off Molesworth street or whatever it's called that leads to the Dail. The reporter tried to get through but was blocked by these people. He asked one of them if they were undercover detectives and got a negative answer. He said the Gardai were standing by and watching these men block the street. So were they the Antifa crowd blocking the public right of way, in full view of the police who decided to let them get away with it? There have been anecdotal reports over the years that Gardai have turned a blind eye to certain groups including Antifa types. I have personally witnessed small student groups being allowed to block city centre traffic illegally because of a softly softly Garda approach. Contrast this with the rather hands on approach of the French CRS riot police.....
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