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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jun 18, 2021 13:32:36 GMT
There will be a by-election in Dublin Bay South on the eighth of July, since Fine Gael's Eoghan Murphy has now gone to his reward-- i.e., a position in a globalist human rights organization.
Conservative candidates include Mairead Toibin of Aontu, Justin Barrett of the National Party, and Jacqui Gilbourne of Renua.
The indefatigable Ivana Bacik will be making another effort to get into the Dail.
I wonder if the Aontu candidate has any chance, or if Justin Barrett might even poll respectably? I don't like him much and don't really go along with his party's brand of nativism, but I would still be cheered to see a strong nationalist vote.
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Post by cato on Jun 19, 2021 16:17:25 GMT
Its a very Liberal leaning constituency. The Fine Gael candidate involved in the formation of Renua is bending over backwards to pacify repealers who would never vote for him in a million years. He is a perfect example of the traditional middle class establishment politicians trying to appeal to the woke new establishment.
The national party and Renua will be lucky to keep their deposits. I wish Aontu well but its not fertile territory for them. Fianna Fail are running a candidate whose main platform is also her support for abortion. Support for abortion even among the right , is now a badge of respectability in our sorry lost little country.
As much as I despise Sinn Fein I hope they win the seat. It might just might wake the current government up to the renting/ housing crisis. Every few generations the land becomes a major issue in Ireland. I think we may be about to enter one of those eras soon.
I would love an old style Christian democrat, pro business, low tax, pro family patriotic , pro civil liberties, tradition leaning party to vote for. Seemingly there is no market for these far right views in Ireland.
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Post by assisi on Jun 20, 2021 11:22:32 GMT
Its a very Liberal leaning constituency. The Fine Gael candidate involved in the formation of Renua is bending over backwards to pacify repealers who would never vote for him in a million years. He is a perfect example of the traditional middle class establishment politicians trying to appeal to the woke new establishment. The national party and Renua will be lucky to keep their deposits. I wish Aontu well but its not fertile territory for them. Fianna Fail are running a candidate whose main platform is also her support for abortion. Support for abortion even among the right , is now a badge of respectability in our sorry lost little country. As much as I despise Sinn Fein I hope they win the seat. It might just might wake the current government up to the renting/ housing crisis. Every few generations the land becomes a major issue in Ireland. I think we may be about to enter one of those eras soon. I would love an old style Christian democrat, pro business, low tax, pro family patriotic , pro civil liberties, tradition leaning party to vote for. Seemingly there is no market for these far right views in Ireland. That's a depressing picture of modern Ireland. I would like to see one of the non left liberal parties come to the top as the recognisable voice of the right, rather than several all cancelling each other out. If the National Party or Aontu rose to the top I wouldn't mind either although I disagree with Aontu's republicanism. But we really do need decisive characters leading these parties. Not the type to be apologising for their existence in front of RTE or Irish Times reporters, but bold and outspoken characters who have the intelligence to turn Political Correctness around and use it as a weapon against the establishment.
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Post by cato on Jun 21, 2021 11:06:16 GMT
[quote author=" assisi" That's a depressing picture of modern Ireland. I would like to see one of the non left liberal parties come to the top as the recognisable voice of the right, rather than several all cancelling each other out. If the National Party or Aontu rose to the top I wouldn't mind either although I disagree with Aontu's republicanism. But we really do need decisive characters leading these parties. Not the type to be apologising for their existence in front of RTE or Irish Times reporters, but bold and outspoken characters who have the intelligence to turn Political Correctness around and use it as a weapon against the establishment. [/quote] I am a bit of a cassandra generally but I think from a conservative point of view that's just plain reality in modern Ireland. In a recent by election I had no candidate out of I think 14 who would represent classic Christian democrat style views. I ended up voting for a rather controversial celebrity as a protest not because I endorsed her views. In a future general election we have several solid independents and Aontu which as you say is still Republican and leftwing leaning. Perhaps traditional conservatism will be squeezed out of existence between well off Liberal establishment parties and Sinn Fein who attract much natural right wing patriotic votes despite their ultra woke radical social agenda. At least in the North the DUP are still an option for social conservatives. The new right wing parties here seem to lack good candidates at local level. That's how you build up a political party in our PR electoral system .
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Post by cato on Jun 28, 2021 21:07:51 GMT
Listening to some of the comments about the by election basically a competition to see who is wokest of the woke I wonder should all the others tactically vote for Justin Barrett to create a Peter Casey style two fingers to the establishment?
It looks like a competition at this stage between FG and the Labour candidate Ivana Bacik who has been a veteran Liberal pro choicer for decades . I fear left transfers will tip her over the line.
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Post by hilary on Jul 3, 2021 5:52:43 GMT
They are lucky in Dublin South East - at least four candidates who are a bit different to the usual to vote for - Dolores Cahill, Justin Barrett, Mairead Toibin and Jacqui Gilbourne. Maybe there are others .. it occurred to me recently that we have five "straight white male" tds in my constituency (Dublin SW) - for all their woke talk. They do all push the woke/globalist agenda and the FF TD was proudly announcing in a recent newsletter that he was the first to wear a mask in the Dáil. I've nothing against straight white males but it would be nice if they represented ordinary Irish women and children too.
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Post by cato on Jul 9, 2021 20:10:11 GMT
The worst candidate will win on transfers Ivana Bacik. Conservatives need no reminder of her record on the undermining of innocent human life.
Fianna Fails ultra liberal candidate scored their worst ever score since records began but Micheal Martin is not for turning on his courting of the woke left who detest him and Fianna Fail. It would be interesting to know where social conservatives votes do go to nowadays.
Justin Barrett got .7% of first preferences as did anti lockdown candidate Dolores Cahill of UCD The far right in the middle of an unprecedented lockdown couldn't get 2% of the vote combined.
Aontu just pipped the ever-present People before Profit Marxist candidate and seem to be carving a niche for themselves. This is a very liberal constituency with many very comfortable people who have had a prosperous lockdown. They protested today but in a very respectable establishment way which won't alarm RTE or the Irish Times , both organisations that went out of the way to back the former TCD senator.
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Post by hilary on Jul 9, 2021 23:26:42 GMT
Two years ago Archbishop Eamon Martin spoke on the theme of faith in politics at the Kennedy Summer School, and Ivana Bacik responded. Michael Kelly of the Irish Catholic also spoke. I was glad to find the video online - I thought it was very good - imagine if we had these type of discussions on our national airwaves! youtu.be/JdlHVmoxuxc
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Jul 21, 2021 13:17:29 GMT
Don't bother voting, is a waste of time and effort.
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Post by cato on Jul 21, 2021 21:45:15 GMT
Don't bother voting, is a waste of time and effort. The election was last week Sean!
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Jul 22, 2021 9:18:34 GMT
I know and the comment still stands. Democracy is not going to save us
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 22, 2021 9:44:57 GMT
I know and the comment still stands. Democracy is not going to save us It's better than any alternative. Democracy is only as good as its citizens.
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Jul 22, 2021 10:50:13 GMT
I know and the comment still stands. Democracy is not going to save us It's better than any alternative. Democracy is only as good as its citizens. I always hear people argue that and I'm not convinced by it. We don't live in a "Democracy". The whole idea is very naive and idealistic. We are ruled by an oligarchy and the multinationals (Ireland). It's all smoke and mirrors. Its citizens used to be moral and God fearing, before they were exposed to years of programming.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jul 22, 2021 10:57:53 GMT
It's better than any alternative. Democracy is only as good as its citizens. I always hear people argue that and I'm not convinced by it. We don't live in a "Democracy". The whole idea is very naive and idealistic. We are ruled by an oligarchy and the multinationals (Ireland). It's all smoke and mirrors. Its citizens used to be moral and God fearing, before they were exposed to years of programming. In any democracy, in any society, the wealthy are going to have a disproportionate influence. How would you counter this? It's really up to the people to think for themselves. You can't get fairer than a man alone in a polling booth.
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Jul 22, 2021 11:29:31 GMT
I always hear people argue that and I'm not convinced by it. We don't live in a "Democracy". The whole idea is very naive and idealistic. We are ruled by an oligarchy and the multinationals (Ireland). It's all smoke and mirrors. Its citizens used to be moral and God fearing, before they were exposed to years of programming. In any democracy, in any society, the wealthy are going to have a disproportionate influence. How would you counter this? It's really up to the people to think for themselves. You can't get fairer than a man alone in a polling booth. I have no problem with an Elite or Aristocracy and Clericalacy (probably not a word) as long as they follow a moral order. The best way to look at this is to look to the past for inspiration. “The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.” Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill Master Mason United Studholme Alliance Lodge No. 1591 "You can't get fairer than a man alone in a polling booth" why would this idea create a Moral society and what if he is voting to murder unborn children?
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