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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 5, 2021 22:36:48 GMT
I'm not enthusiastic about multiculturalism. Yesterday I was kayaking on the canal in Portobello. The kayak company is run by a guy who I guess is Polish. He's a lovely guy. After that myself and my wife went to an arepa restaurant run by a Venezuelan guy. He was incredibly friendly and nice. The food was delicious and I liked the salsa music being played in the background.
And yet, I feel a sense of loss. I'm nostalgic for the days when the Irish were overwhelmingly culturally homogenous. This little island seems a small enough space for our already fragile culture and identity, overshadowed by the colossi to our East and West. But those days are gone for good or ill.
Most Irish people don't seem to care about mass immigration. It features very low in surveys of voter priorities, and the populist parties like the National Party and Irish Freedom Party have bombed at the polls. My guess is that this has less to do with tolerance than with the fact that the Irish people are now so materialistic and atomised.
And I still believe that the best way to defend Irish culture is to practice it. Especially the language, which is the most important part of it.
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Post by Séamus on Sept 6, 2021 9:07:42 GMT
I just don't really understand why anyone cares about skin colour, either on an individual level or en masse. Why does it matter? Why should the Irish be white? I'm honestly baffled by the preoccupation of both right and left on such a cosmetic matter. In my view the important thing is not demographics but culture. And in truth the Irish people abandoned their culture (with the exception of the GAA) long before the influx of immigrants. The presence of Afghanis is not an obstacle to speaking Gaelic. The left play the race card to an obnoxious degree, but why play their game? Surely it's better to rise above it. The Left indeed play the race card to an obnoxious degree, but 'rising above it' just appears to be a strategy of permitting their multicultural experiment to carry on unopposed. We know here that the Liberal Left are destructive not constructive, they are obsessed with pulling down the whole edifice of the West and quite frankly don't give a damn about what follows, as long as they can signal their virtue to others and assuage the guilt of their own dark souls. If you are colour blind or don't care about colour then how can you refer to the Catholic idea you talked about earlier, welcoming the stranger or the sojourner. You either recognise the stranger or you don't, you can't have it both ways. I reckon everyone here would be kind to any foreigner or outsider they met. I certainly would see them as fellow human beings. But the scale and intent of this immigration experiment is bad, too big in scale and is being done with malevolent intent, and that is the key difference. And while you don't understand why skin colour matters, those immigrants coming in certainly take the opposite view. You will find in England and America that black people, particularly poorer black people, will generally gravitate to the same neighbourhoods, similarly with Muslims who now make up large neighbourhoods in Birmingham, Oldham, East End of London, Luton and many other areas. Things ghettoise and races and nationalities can start to feel disaffected if they perceive themselves not flourishing as others do. Do you really want to wake up in 40 years time and find that the Irish population is only 20% white or ethnically Celtic/Norman/Anglo. Do you really think that there would be any trace of cultural Irishness left? If the majority were Muslim then Sharia law would be a possibility. What incentive would there be for an Afghan to study Irish. Would the non-white majority discriminate against the smaller white population if propagandised to do so. Would anyone care anymore? Would there be any solidarity amongst the people anymore? I'd agree with most of your observations, of course.and I have seen in Australia that ethnic groups that create residential enclaves don't necessarily do so for financial reasons like the New York of old. But it might be worth considering also a recent English edition St Anthony's Messenger article about pro-life,pro-marriage,Irish-speaking Rónán Mullen- he was photographed with three Irish-Africans,two women with obviously eastern European names,and presenting awards to an old Fianna Fáil councilor and a religious Sister. The diversity might reflect the magazine more than the reality,but the cooperation with his work must definitely exist all round. He was quoted as not always understanding 'Pope Francis' approach'. But he would be pleased,no doubt, with His Holiness' recent words about euthanasia,birth control and Western demographic. The recent feast of St Stephen of Hungary might be an inspiration for the preserving of (particularly) European society,not because the saint personally populated his land,but precisely because he didn't- his heir, St Emeric, probably died without offspring. The newly created kingship eventually passed to a relation known as 'the Venetian'. And yet the religious and cultural heritage of Stephen lasted for centuries and,to an extent,even through the Austrian era and to our own times. Giving another angle,Earl Spencer has apparently published a book on a similar situation in English history; Henry I had two legitimate heirs (and several children out of wedlock),both of whom perished in a shipwreck (the wreckage of which Diana's brother is personally helping to excavate). The crown passed from the original Norman dynasty to Plantagenet control until Tudor times. A reminder that a culture and identity can indeed be fragile. |
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Post by kj on Sept 7, 2021 19:23:22 GMT
Maolsheachlann said earlier: "Effectively, it seems the Irish people stopped caring about reviving or cherishing their traditional culture by the nineteen-fifties at least (aside from occasional counter-currents such as the nineteen-sixties "ballad boom" or the current growth in gaelscoileanna).....it's hard to really mobilise or resist it when the vast majority of the Irish people don't seem to care about preserving their cultural distinctiveness."
This is always the key fact for me when contemplating Ireland's culture, its relationship with global Liberalism etc.
It's also why scapegoating immigrants, Muslims etc is wrong. To the best of my memory, the first influx of Poles didn't begin until roughly the mid-90s, as a result of the Celtic Tiger. The battle for the Irish language was lost decades before that, and the social power of the Catholic Church had surely fizzled out by then as a result of various factors, including high-profile misbehaviour, child abuse and so on.
In other words, by the mid-90s there was already a cultural vacuum. It was my decade at university and my 20s and I recall well the very nihilistic vibe of much of it: the culture, the music, and so on. Blaming mass immigration for the "death of Gaelic culture" simply doesn't work.
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Post by Séamus on Sept 10, 2021 12:23:11 GMT
Maolsheachlann said earlier: "Effectively, it seems the Irish people stopped caring about reviving or cherishing their traditional culture by the nineteen-fifties at least (aside from occasional counter-currents such as the nineteen-sixties "ballad boom" or the current growth in gaelscoileanna).....it's hard to really mobilise or resist it when the vast majority of the Irish people don't seem to care about preserving their cultural distinctiveness." This is always the key fact for me when contemplating Ireland's culture, its relationship with global Liberalism etc. It's also why scapegoating immigrants, Muslims etc is wrong. To the best of my memory, the first influx of Poles didn't begin until roughly the mid-90s, as a result of the Celtic Tiger. The battle for the Irish language was lost decades before that, and the social power of the Catholic Church had surely fizzled out by then as a result of various factors, including high-profile misbehaviour, child abuse and so on. In other words, by the mid-90s there was already a cultural vacuum. It was my decade at university and my 20s and I recall well the very nihilistic vibe of much of it: the culture, the music, and so on. Blaming mass immigration for the "death of Gaelic culture" simply doesn't work. Identity can be a mysterious and fluid thing. There was the famous situation,in the early decades of independence,of the English (gay) playwright who became a Gaelige-proponent,indeed changed his own name from English. Around the era Mr.KJ speaks of,while music and dancing became popular in many communities,Meave Bincy wrote Tara Hill,which contains a scene where an American visitor gets excited when coming across the Ulysses Martello tower by accident, while her Dubliner host shows no interest but congratulates herself on finding an outing that cost nothing. I'm not sure that the shallow characters in the book were really as representative as the author thought,but I noticed that a card we received from an aunt last week featuring Phoenix Park,Molly Malone and the Millennium Spire was produced by Lidl. How strange,I was thinking, if the only business that thinks of distributing Dublin postcards at the moment was doing so simply to seem less German. I recall, following the tragic death,a few years ago,of expatriate Englishman Black, a memorial fundraiser for Cork charity Brú Columbanus included the sale of 'Saol Iontach' pendants organised by his Swedish widow;Church of Ireland services were arranged also...would an Irish (nominally-Catholic) pop-singer or spouse nod to the Irish tongue in the same way or would they instead emphasize the souls of El Salvador? Today we hear reports of Armenian Christians using a few C of I churches that would otherwise have little use. As Afghanistan's eastern Christians are few,this contribution would hardly exist, although,with traditional mass centres on the verge of Esther-like annihilation, Eastern rites in western countries could find a big market in years to come. Other national identities ebb and flow also. I came across a children's Little Golden Book, published for the Australian market in the 1960s, once and was rather amazed at how many marsupials could be included into a tale of 20 pages. I don't think they'd compete with Japanese anime or Marvel lyra today. |
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Post by Antaine on Sept 11, 2021 9:48:58 GMT
I just don't understand how there can be mournful concern over loss of culture (which I'm not saying is unimportant), though simultaneously, apathy towards the idea of racial loss/replacement. Culture is just a thing - it can be rebuilt or replaced, although perhaps not to the same results. The point being, at least some attempt can be made to regain it. Race, on the other hand, represents real living people. Once it's gone, it can't be brought back. That's why genocide and extinction of animals are considered so serious. While I appreciate people have different attitudes to race, particularly how important it is, I think everyone understands what I'm saying on a fundamental, subconscious level.
And Assisi is correct. The whole idea of "rising above" the Left has been, as far as I can see, an utter disaster for the Conservative/Right. It's essentially sticking our heads in the sand on certain controversial issues which are uncomfortable to discuss, precisely because we won't discuss them. But it's the Left who are now dictating the terms by which we have to argue.
The Left gets offended over things they have no right being offended by, and it gives corporations, politicians, and media an excuse to pander to them. The Right/Conservatives, on the other hand, can't even be bothered getting outraged over things they have an obligation to, and have instead settled on sitting back, and making a few snarky quips about how hypocritical and easily offended the Left is. While it's all good fun to laugh, we haven't exactly been winning much influence in recent years. Just look at the utter state of the Republican party, which I once heard an American describe as more "Liberal" than the Democrats were even 10-20 years ago.
And for those who take issue with the term "racial replacement" because it's a "racist/Right-wing conspiracy theory", the same people who said that years ago are now the same people saying "actually, it is true, and that's a good thing." Here is a short clip from Jimmy Fallon discussing the shrinking White population of the US.
And yes, I'm sure the people cheering weren't non-White, but in fact liberal White women; and that to me makes it all the worse. How much do you have to demonise White people to the point where White people - particularly women? - cheer the demise of their own race? I saw a lot of this during the BLM riots last year, with many White people proclaiming "F*** White people." I'll spare you the CNN video on "Census shows US more diverse than ever as white population declines." Diversity is our strength?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 11, 2021 18:32:51 GMT
But should we really care about race just because the left cares about race? I'm not going to have my priorities set by what Jimmy Fallon jokes about. Isn't that pure reaction?
I care about lots of things: culture, language, religion, the family, human life, poetry, etc. Skin colour just isn't one of those things. If you mean "race" in some specifically Irish sense, that might be another question. But I've noticed that the populist right or Alt Right now seem to be thinking in terms of white European solidarity, to the extent that many of them find nationalism in the traditional sense insular and narrow. It's a total reversal from the centuries of nationalist struggle when we were seeking liberation from the white, Christian British.
I agree with you about the demonisation of white people, how stupid and offensive it is, but that doesn't mean I should make whiteness an important part of my identity.
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Post by assisi on Sept 11, 2021 20:33:01 GMT
But should we really care about race just because the left cares about race? I'm not going to have my priorities set by what Jimmy Fallon jokes about. Isn't that pure reaction? I care about lots of things: culture, language, religion, the family, human life, poetry, etc. Skin colour just isn't one of those things. If you mean "race" in some specifically Irish sense, that might be another question. But I've noticed that the populist right or Alt Right now seem to be thinking in terms of white European solidarity, to the extent that many of them find nationalism in the traditional sense insular and narrow. It's a total reversal from the centuries of nationalist struggle when we were seeking liberation from the white, Christian British. I agree with you about the demonisation of white people, how stupid and offensive it is, but that doesn't mean I should make whiteness an important part of my identity. I can't speak for the Alt Right but I don't seek a pan European white movement. What I think is happening is that the Irish can see that the same attack on our culture and people is being inflicted upon England, Scotland, France, Italy, Belgium etc and that we have a common existential problem and can therefore sympathise with each other. This new threat eclipses many of the old grudges we hold. Indeed who cares if we put one over the 'Brits' or 'Prods' if both our peoples and cultures are swallowed up in a global mulch. I would prefer not to be having these conversations at all, but we have been forced into this position by the openly racist (anti-white) liberals and globalists. I would prefer to locate this whole argument in terms of ethnicity rather than race. As I have said we seem to be mostly a mix of Celtic, Scandinavian and Northern European origin. These ethnic origins are people of white skin, so that is a reality, not a choice. We would respect other countries ethnicities too. The world would be up in arms if, say, China started to move large swathes of Chinese to an African country with whom it had commercial ties, to the point where China had a significant and ever growing percentage of the population. This would be seen as an imposition and threat to the African country in question and their people. These existing African countries too, like Ireland, currently comprise several or more ethnicities or tribes, and have experienced movement from adjoining African countries over the years. They will be predominantly if not completely black. I would say that the majority of world nations, the UN and other such organisations would see any significant dilution of that African country by China as a bad thing and oppose it. However if it is happening in Ireland it seems okay to ignore it and vilify any opposition. Should we accept this type of hypocrisy? No. |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 11, 2021 21:21:24 GMT
But should we really care about race just because the left cares about race? I'm not going to have my priorities set by what Jimmy Fallon jokes about. Isn't that pure reaction? I care about lots of things: culture, language, religion, the family, human life, poetry, etc. Skin colour just isn't one of those things. If you mean "race" in some specifically Irish sense, that might be another question. But I've noticed that the populist right or Alt Right now seem to be thinking in terms of white European solidarity, to the extent that many of them find nationalism in the traditional sense insular and narrow. It's a total reversal from the centuries of nationalist struggle when we were seeking liberation from the white, Christian British. I agree with you about the demonisation of white people, how stupid and offensive it is, but that doesn't mean I should make whiteness an important part of my identity. I can't speak for the Alt Right but I don't seek a pan European white movement. What I think is happening is that the Irish can see that the same attack on our culture and people is being inflicted upon England, Scotland, France, Italy, Belgium etc and that we have a common existential problem and can therefore sympathise with each other. This new threat eclipses many of the old grudges we hold. Indeed who cares if we put one over the 'Brits' or 'Prods' if both our peoples and cultures are swallowed up in a global mulch. I would prefer not to be having these conversations at all, but we have been forced into this position by the openly racist (anti-white) liberals and globalists. I would prefer to locate this whole argument in terms of ethnicity rather than race. As I have said we seem to be mostly a mix of Celtic, Scandinavian and Northern European origin. These ethnic origins are people of white skin, so that is a reality, not a choice. We would respect other countries ethnicities too. The world would be up in arms if, say, China started to move large swathes of Chinese to an African country with whom it had commercial ties, to the point where China had a significant and ever growing percentage of the population. This would be seen as an imposition and threat to the African country in question and their people. These existing African countries too, like Ireland, currently comprise several or more ethnicities or tribes, and have experienced movement from adjoining African countries over the years. They will be predominantly if not completely black. I would say that the majority of world nations, the UN and other such organisations would see any significant dilution of that African country by China as a bad thing and oppose it. However if it is happening in Ireland it seems okay to ignore it and vilify any opposition. Should we accept this type of hypocrisy? No. But what remedy would you propose? |
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Post by Séamus on Sept 12, 2021 12:14:41 GMT
Couldn't be part of this be the natural tendency for minorities to band together for support? This is by no means a racial thing: you have Irish, Italian and Jewish quarters in New York and other American cities, even if suburbanisation has weakened this somewhat. It's interesting you mention Celtic/Norman/Anglo in your last paragraph, as this implies that Irish people are an amalgam of different ethnic groups rather than a homogenous entity. I'm not sure how you expect the more recent arrivals to be any different a few generations down the road: in fact, we're already beginning to see New Irish GAA inter-county players, at least at minor level, and this will only increase in the future. It's also worth pointing out that national identity eventually encompasses minority groups within a few generations. Bear in mind that Italians, Poles, Jews and Irish people were not considered fully American until WW2, yet no one would say that their descendants were not American. Same story in Britain: most of the descendants of the Windrush generation do not identify with their grandparents' countries, but with England/ the UK. In 40 years time, the children and grandchildren of the New Irish will for the most part be culturally indistinguishable from their "native" Irish counterparts. Young Ireland, I think the prospect of cultural assimilation/fusion is less than it was in the past, given the fact that we don't really have a native culture as it is. I'm scared the common culture of old Irish and new Irish will simply be pop culture and consumerism. The GAA is the great exception and it's true they have been proactive in including immigrants. "My (minor celebrity) young lady had not the slightest right to call herself an actress or a singer. She was a creature entirely devoid of talent,devoid of feeling,a pitiful creature one may say. As far as I can judge she sang disgustingly. The whole charm of her 'art' lay in her kicking up her legs on every suitable occasion and not being embarrassed when people walked into her dressing room." Anyone who knew no better would think this was a recent memoir from someone who knew the Hiltons,Spears or Kardashians,or a way of contrasting with the question of a ladies' Taliban cricket team, but it's actually from one of Anton Chekhov's short stories (First-Class Passenger) (that I'm reading through at the moment). It's remarkable just how similar some of the conversations about loss of culture are to what we're reflecting on about today's West,Ireland in particular. And this was superpower Russia,with it's monarchy,strong Christian practice and Empire,which politically subjugated several of today's Islamic states. 'Grasshopper' tells of a woman who,unlike the passenger's lover,was genuinely artistic but, likewise, obsessed with the shallow popularity of the week,only appreciating that her surgeon husband's legacy would outlive all her acquaintance's as she wails by his almost-dead body. We don't fight against something entirely new. The successes of GAA is more pertinent at present as some recall again the legendary Mayo curse. Is it an unwelcome or superstitious episode,or is it a good thing that one part of Irish tradition, respect for the dead in ritual form, still grips people? Admittedly, I'd hate to be the last Mayo player alive, knowing that my mortality is an object of immense curiosity |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 13, 2021 14:12:08 GMT
In case anyone thinks I'm being hopelessly naive or obtuse in emphasising culture over race/biology/genetics, or that I don't realize that most people IN FACT practice (or want to practice) the culture that goes with their genetic inheritance; honestly, I do realize it, and I'm not that naive. I do get it.
But the thing is, as long as we define ethnicity in cultural terms, it's open to everybody. Even some dusky-skinned killed called Muhammed who was born in Ireland, or came here as a child. I can't really go along with any definition of Irishness that closes it off from somebody like that.
And you know, as little as I like multiculturalism, it seems to work in America to a great extent. Nobody hesitates to call themselves Italian or Irish or Polish and also consider themselves patriotic Americans. is that possible in a country as small as Ireland? I don't know, but why presume that it's not.
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Sept 14, 2021 7:55:44 GMT
In case anyone thinks I'm being hopelessly naive or obtuse in emphasising culture over race/biology/genetics, or that I don't realize that most people IN FACT practice (or want to practice) the culture that goes with their genetic inheritance; honestly, I do realize it, and I'm not that naive. I do get it. But the thing is, as long as we define ethnicity in cultural terms, it's open to everybody. Even some dusky-skinned killed called Muhammed who was born in Ireland, or came here as a child. I can't really go along with any definition of Irishness that closes it off from somebody like that. And you know, as little as I like multiculturalism, it seems to work in America to a great extent. Nobody hesitates to call themselves Italian or Irish or Polish and also consider themselves patriotic Americans. is that possible in a country as small as Ireland? I don't know, but why presume that it's not. "But the thing is, as long as we define ethnicity in cultural terms" I don't prescribe to ethnicity being based solely on cultural terms. Is the "we" you refer to the people of modern Ireland? This topic probably better to discuss on irishconservative.freeforums.net/thread/1153/irish |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 14, 2021 8:13:09 GMT
In case anyone thinks I'm being hopelessly naive or obtuse in emphasising culture over race/biology/genetics, or that I don't realize that most people IN FACT practice (or want to practice) the culture that goes with their genetic inheritance; honestly, I do realize it, and I'm not that naive. I do get it. But the thing is, as long as we define ethnicity in cultural terms, it's open to everybody. Even some dusky-skinned killed called Muhammed who was born in Ireland, or came here as a child. I can't really go along with any definition of Irishness that closes it off from somebody like that. And you know, as little as I like multiculturalism, it seems to work in America to a great extent. Nobody hesitates to call themselves Italian or Irish or Polish and also consider themselves patriotic Americans. is that possible in a country as small as Ireland? I don't know, but why presume that it's not. "But the thing is, as long as we define ethnicity in cultural terms" I don't prescribe to ethnicity being based solely on cultural terms. Is the "we" you refer to the people of modern Ireland? This topic probably better to discuss on irishconservative.freeforums.net/thread/1153/irishI meant "we" in a more general sense, an abstract we, the people having this discussion or people in general. I do see the problems of defining ethnicity in a purely cultural way. I even acknowledge it's something of a "polite fiction". I will be interested to see peoples' thoughts on that thread, thank you for starting it. |
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Post by Antaine on Sept 19, 2021 13:54:24 GMT
"But should we really care about race just because the left cares about race? I'm not going to have my priorities set by what Jimmy Fallon jokes about. Isn't that pure reaction?"
No, we should care about race due to the fact we're being racially replaced. Jimmy Fallon didn't joke about it, but in fact looked quite taken aback; his audience cheered and screamed with joy over the news. This shows us that the racial replacement is not just some accident. And quite frankly - not talking about anyone here - I am done with the notion that I am somehow racist or supremacist, because I refuse to be ok or different to my race being disappeared. Had I been a Black, Middle Eastern, or some other man spouting the same rhetoric, I would have an entourage of White women cheering me on and telling me how brave I am.
In regards to a remedy - I know this wasn't aimed at me - I would say:
1) Remove everyone from the country who is living off some form of benefits, and still has the gall to call us "white privileged", "racist", etc. I could care less what they have to go back to. That should have been considered before their gross display of ingratitude.
2) Remove all illegals.
3) Stop giving out citizenship, unless it's related to marriage. It doesn't mean people can't come here to work or live, but they can't count as citizens. This gives us more control to remove them should they cause problems.
"And you know, as little as I like multiculturalism, it seems to work in America to a great extent. Nobody hesitates to call themselves Italian or Irish or Polish and also consider themselves patriotic Americans. is that possible in a country as small as Ireland? I don't know, but why presume that it's not."
But interestingly, the groups you mentioned would be considered White, and while there are obviously non-White people who are proud Americans, there is a substantial number of non-Whites who very blatantly are not. We saw a good display of this at the Olympics, for example, when a black athlete turned her back when (if I remember correctly) the anthem was being played. For the sake of fairness and honesty, I will add that there was a Black American athlete who was clearly a proud American. The BLM riots are another example of people who don't see themselves as members of any "United" America, not because the White man stopped them, but because they clearly see themselves as apart. Or what about all the anti-Trumpers who were waving Mexico flags; Mexico being the country that is apparently is so abysmal that they had to flee it? Sorry, but I would have to disagree to an extent multi-culturalism has worked in the US.
I think it can work in small portions, but too much and there is just conflict. For e.g., a recent story that's gone under the radar about Black gangs in England robbing Asian kids (specifically Bengali?) using machetes, only for one to get disarmed and his dismembered by his own machete. And speaking of knives, we had our own incident with George Nkencho, shot after attacking someone and threatening others; his family then want to sue, and Black thugs run around the Blanchardstown shopping centre behaving like animals, as did the Black mob outside the shop where the incident supposedly took place.
Furthermore, The US is a "young" country, in comparison to Ireland. I don't think that takes away from the fact that the US was predominantly White throughout most of its history, but its still different from countries that have been set for much longer, like our own.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Sept 19, 2021 15:29:53 GMT
"But should we really care about race just because the left cares about race? I'm not going to have my priorities set by what Jimmy Fallon jokes about. Isn't that pure reaction?" No, we should care about race due to the fact we're being racially replaced. Jimmy Fallon didn't joke about it, but in fact looked quite taken aback; his audience cheered and screamed with joy over the news. This shows us that the racial replacement is not just some accident. And quite frankly - not talking about anyone here - I am done with the notion that I am somehow racist or supremacist, because I refuse to be ok or different to my race being disappeared. Had I been a Black, Middle Eastern, or some other man spouting the same rhetoric, I would have an entourage of White women cheering me on and telling me how brave I am. In regards to a remedy - I know this wasn't aimed at me - I would say: 1) Remove everyone from the country who is living off some form of benefits, and still has the gall to call us "white privileged", "racist", etc. I could care less what they have to go back to. That should have been considered before their gross display of ingratitude. 2) Remove all illegals. 3) Stop giving out citizenship, unless it's related to marriage. It doesn't mean people can't come here to work or live, but they can't count as citizens. This gives us more control to remove them should they cause problems. "And you know, as little as I like multiculturalism, it seems to work in America to a great extent. Nobody hesitates to call themselves Italian or Irish or Polish and also consider themselves patriotic Americans. is that possible in a country as small as Ireland? I don't know, but why presume that it's not." But interestingly, the groups you mentioned would be considered White, and while there are obviously non-White people who are proud Americans, there is a substantial number of non-Whites who very blatantly are not. We saw a good display of this at the Olympics, for example, when a black athlete turned her back when (if I remember correctly) the anthem was being played. For the sake of fairness and honesty, I will add that there was a Black American athlete who was clearly a proud American. The BLM riots are another example of people who don't see themselves as members of any "United" America, not because the White man stopped them, but because they clearly see themselves as apart. Or what about all the anti-Trumpers who were waving Mexico flags; Mexico being the country that is apparently is so abysmal that they had to flee it? Sorry, but I would have to disagree to an extent multi-culturalism has worked in the US. I think it can work in small portions, but too much and there is just conflict. For e.g., a recent story that's gone under the radar about Black gangs in England robbing Asian kids (specifically Bengali?) using machetes, only for one to get disarmed and his dismembered by his own machete. And speaking of knives, we had our own incident with George Nkencho, shot after attacking someone and threatening others; his family then want to sue, and Black thugs run around the Blanchardstown shopping centre behaving like animals, as did the Black mob outside the shop where the incident supposedly took place. Furthermore, The US is a "young" country, in comparison to Ireland. I don't think that takes away from the fact that the US was predominantly White throughout most of its history, but its still different from countries that have been set for much longer, like our own. Direct question, Antaine. Why do you care about race? Why does it matter what colour anybody's skin is? Without reference to the left or anybody else, why do you yourself care? |
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Post by assisi on Sept 19, 2021 18:09:57 GMT
"But should we really care about race just because the left cares about race? I'm not going to have my priorities set by what Jimmy Fallon jokes about. Isn't that pure reaction?" No, we should care about race due to the fact we're being racially replaced. Jimmy Fallon didn't joke about it, but in fact looked quite taken aback; his audience cheered and screamed with joy over the news. This shows us that the racial replacement is not just some accident. And quite frankly - not talking about anyone here - I am done with the notion that I am somehow racist or supremacist, because I refuse to be ok or different to my race being disappeared. Had I been a Black, Middle Eastern, or some other man spouting the same rhetoric, I would have an entourage of White women cheering me on and telling me how brave I am. In regards to a remedy - I know this wasn't aimed at me - I would say: 1) Remove everyone from the country who is living off some form of benefits, and still has the gall to call us "white privileged", "racist", etc. I could care less what they have to go back to. That should have been considered before their gross display of ingratitude. 2) Remove all illegals. 3) Stop giving out citizenship, unless it's related to marriage. It doesn't mean people can't come here to work or live, but they can't count as citizens. This gives us more control to remove them should they cause problems. "And you know, as little as I like multiculturalism, it seems to work in America to a great extent. Nobody hesitates to call themselves Italian or Irish or Polish and also consider themselves patriotic Americans. is that possible in a country as small as Ireland? I don't know, but why presume that it's not." But interestingly, the groups you mentioned would be considered White, and while there are obviously non-White people who are proud Americans, there is a substantial number of non-Whites who very blatantly are not. We saw a good display of this at the Olympics, for example, when a black athlete turned her back when (if I remember correctly) the anthem was being played. For the sake of fairness and honesty, I will add that there was a Black American athlete who was clearly a proud American. The BLM riots are another example of people who don't see themselves as members of any "United" America, not because the White man stopped them, but because they clearly see themselves as apart. Or what about all the anti-Trumpers who were waving Mexico flags; Mexico being the country that is apparently is so abysmal that they had to flee it? Sorry, but I would have to disagree to an extent multi-culturalism has worked in the US. I think it can work in small portions, but too much and there is just conflict. For e.g., a recent story that's gone under the radar about Black gangs in England robbing Asian kids (specifically Bengali?) using machetes, only for one to get disarmed and his dismembered by his own machete. And speaking of knives, we had our own incident with George Nkencho, shot after attacking someone and threatening others; his family then want to sue, and Black thugs run around the Blanchardstown shopping centre behaving like animals, as did the Black mob outside the shop where the incident supposedly took place. Furthermore, The US is a "young" country, in comparison to Ireland. I don't think that takes away from the fact that the US was predominantly White throughout most of its history, but its still different from countries that have been set for much longer, like our own. Direct question, Antaine. Why do you care about race? Why does it matter what colour anybody's skin is? Without reference to the left or anybody else, why do you yourself care? Lets just take an extreme hypothetical situation for a moment, to see if it can help out in this debate. Lets say that the 6 or 7 million people currently resident in the whole island of Ireland were taken out of Ireland and resettled elsewhere in all parts of the world. Then lets say that 4 million Pakistanis, 1 million Nigerians, 1 million Afghans and 1 million Brazilians were brought into Ireland and resettled there. Technically and legally they would be Irish and would fulfil your criteria as Irish and any culture that evolved would be Irish. How would you view that? |
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