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Post by Maolsheachlann on Feb 23, 2022 22:25:26 GMT
It is a sobering thought that Russia very recently flew warplanes past our territorial waters. Yes, I agree there is a kneejerk tendency on the right to side with Putin. Why is that sobering. The Brits and Americans do it all the time. Wasn't to long ago the British were shooting Priests and Killing Catholics. Well, the British and Americans have been our allies in more recent times, for good or for bad. Personally I am all in favour of neutrality and don't want any involvement in military alliances. But Russia has actually invaded other countries more recently than America and Britain. When America invades other countries it does actually leave of its own accord. As for why this conflict is getting so much attention, I think it's what Cato said-- the consequences might be so much worse than most of the other ongoing armed conflicts. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 24, 2022 8:59:08 GMT
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Post by cato on Feb 24, 2022 11:20:32 GMT
I felt sick to the stomach when I heard of this cowardly unprovoked assault on a western state by Russia earlier this morning. Remember Putin brazenly lied to the world for weeks about the "peaceful"nature of his build up and accused the west of hysteria. His mask has slipped.
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Post by cato on Feb 24, 2022 11:31:34 GMT
It is a sobering thought that Russia very recently flew warplanes past our territorial waters. Yes, I agree there is a kneejerk tendency on the right to side with Putin. Why is that sobering. The Brits and Americans do it all the time. Wasn't to long ago the British were shooting Priests and Killing Catholics. Its sobering because they were Bear nuclear armed maritime patrol aircraft that deliberately turned off their transponders so they couldn't be detected on our civil radars. This endangers civilian aircraft flying through our air space. As we have no sovereign Irish air force aircraft capable of detecting them this is a deliberate attempt to exploit our weakness to threaten NATO countries. The navy Russian have also tried to interfere with fibre optic cables off Donegal and Kerry essential to our (and Europes) economies. The recent threatened live missile firing exercise in our EEZ was another unfriendly act by Russia against Ireland because of our lack of defences. |
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Post by cato on Feb 24, 2022 11:39:01 GMT
Why is that sobering. The Brits and Americans do it all the time. Wasn't to long ago the British were shooting Priests and Killing Catholics. Well, the British and Americans have been our allies in more recent times, for good or for bad. Personally I am all in favour of neutrality and don't want any involvement in military alliances. But Russia has actually invaded other countries more recently than America and Britain. When America invades other countries it does actually leave of its own accord. As for why this conflict is getting so much attention, I think it's what Cato said-- the consequences might be so much worse than most of the other ongoing armed conflicts. Ireland spends the lowest percentage on defence in Europe gambling we will never need to ever defend ourselves in reality. This is nonsense as ever other European neutral knows you need to be able to stand on your own two feet if you have no allies. Today we have zero fighter planes to patrol our skies. We have no ship capable of detecting a foreign submarine. We are essentially incapable of maintaining our national sovereignty. Ironic when you recall the Irish Revolution was essentially a military movement with a political wing. Neutrality does not mean pacifism but much of the Irish public imagines it does. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 24, 2022 11:40:42 GMT
Why is that sobering. The Brits and Americans do it all the time. Wasn't to long ago the British were shooting Priests and Killing Catholics. Its sobering because they were Bear nuclear armed maritime patrol aircraft that deliberately turned off their transponders so they couldn't be detected on our civil radars. This endangers civilian aircraft flying through our air space. As we have no sovereign Irish air force aircraft capable of detecting them this is a deliberate attempt to exploit our weakness to threaten NATO countries. The navy Russian have also tried to interfere with fibre optic cables off Donegal and Kerry essential to our (and Europes) economies. The recent threatened live missile firing exercise in our EEZ was another unfriendly act by Russia against Ireland because of our lack of defences. If what you say is true and I don't doubt it, we should be building a strong military/defense force. We won't of course as we have woke activities to carry out and cultural suicide to get on with. I do not trust the Russians. Or the USA/British as they have been interfering in Ireland for ever and in have alot to do with the break down of Irish society. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 24, 2022 11:45:08 GMT
Well, the British and Americans have been our allies in more recent times, for good or for bad. Personally I am all in favour of neutrality and don't want any involvement in military alliances. But Russia has actually invaded other countries more recently than America and Britain. When America invades other countries it does actually leave of its own accord. As for why this conflict is getting so much attention, I think it's what Cato said-- the consequences might be so much worse than most of the other ongoing armed conflicts. Ireland spends the lowest percentage on defense in Europe gambling we will never need to ever defend ourselves in reality. This is nonsense as ever other European neutral knows you need to be able to stand on your own two feet if you have no allies. Today we have zero fighter planes to patrol our skies. We have no ship capable of detecting a foreign submarine. We are essentially incapable of maintaining our national sovereignty. Ironic when you recall the Irish Revolution was essentially a military movement with a political wing. Neutrality does not mean pacifism but much of the Irish public imagines it does. I completely agree. |
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Post by Stephen on Feb 24, 2022 11:49:48 GMT
I felt sick to the stomach when I heard of this cowardly unprovoked assault on a western state by Russia earlier this morning. Remember Putin brazenly lied to the world for weeks about the "peaceful"nature of his build up and accused the west of hysteria. His mask has slipped. It is sad indeed to see war and the lose of life. We should be praying for peace. I would say Ukraine is Russian nation Historically and feel this could have been overcome if Ukraine & Russia took a different approach. |
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Post by kj on Feb 24, 2022 11:55:59 GMT
It's all very grim. I'm with Cato - I felt sick as well when I learnt the news.
However much the west can justifiably be criticised for its history, this surely lets us know that Putin and Russia are no better and have no respect for human life or national sovereignty. If I were a resident of the Baltic states I would be feeling a lot more uneasy than 24 hours ago in terms of the longer picture.
Perhaps the best we can hope for is that this is all a one-man show and whenever Putin passes away, stability of some sort will return.
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Post by hilary on Feb 24, 2022 11:59:17 GMT
I like UK Column news and 21st Century Wire on Telegram for insight. I'm hoping to listen to Patrick Henningson on TNT news now 12-3 for the latest.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 24, 2022 12:07:40 GMT
It's all very grim. I'm with Cato - I felt sick as well when I learnt the news. However much the west can justifiably be criticised for its history, this surely lets us know that Putin and Russia are no better and have no respect for human life or national sovereignty. If I were a resident of the Baltic states I would be feeling a lot more uneasy than 24 hours ago in terms of the longer picture. Perhaps the best we can hope for is that this is all a one-man show and whenever Putin passes away, stability of some sort will return. I don't think Putin is the only one that supports this step in Russia and I cant see Russia not having another strong man in the future. |
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Post by cato on Feb 24, 2022 16:47:27 GMT
It's all very grim. I'm with Cato - I felt sick as well when I learnt the news. However much the west can justifiably be criticised for its history, this surely lets us know that Putin and Russia are no better and have no respect for human life or national sovereignty. If I were a resident of the Baltic states I would be feeling a lot more uneasy than 24 hours ago in terms of the longer picture. Perhaps the best we can hope for is that this is all a one-man show and whenever Putin passes away, stability of some sort will return. I don't think Putin is the only one that supports this step in Russia and I cant see Russia not having another strong man in the future. The weakness of Putin is he appears to be a one man show. There is no Putinism. He has no heir apparent. He is mortal. Death comes for us all. |
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Post by cato on Feb 24, 2022 16:57:47 GMT
I felt sick to the stomach when I heard of this cowardly unprovoked assault on a western state by Russia earlier this morning. Remember Putin brazenly lied to the world for weeks about the "peaceful"nature of his build up and accused the west of hysteria. His mask has slipped. It is sad indeed to see war and the lose of life. We should be praying for peace. I would say Ukraine is Russian nation Historically and feel this could have been overcome if Ukraine & Russia took a different approach. I love this line about how the Russians and Ukrainians are really one people. Try telling some Ukrainians that! I met Canadian Ukrainian Catholics in exile (in communion with Rome )in the 1990s who educated me about the Ukranian great famine, the Stalinist destruction of the Kulaks and the brutal deportations of many minorities especially Ukrainians. They said they thought an Irish person would understand imperialism. Many of us can't grasp there are many versions of Imperialism and that the British haven't a monopoly on the brand. Putin loves his brother Slavs in the Ukraine so much he's willing to bomb them into submission. Sounds like the verbal diarrhoea used by the IRA. I dread to think what he would do to people he actually hates. |
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Post by hilary on Feb 24, 2022 23:11:05 GMT
I heard Simon Coveney saying today that we had in common with the Ukrainian people that we both had big families. I know Simon comes from a big family but I wouldn't have thought big families were a priority for this government or other recent ones. Surely we have something in common with the Russians? A bit of diplomacy with an eye to future relations wouldn't go astray.
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Post by Stephen on Feb 25, 2022 7:58:45 GMT
I heard Simon Coveney saying today that we had in common with the Ukrainian people that we both had big families. I know Simon comes from a big family but I wouldn't have thought big families were a priority for this government or other recent ones. Surely we have something in common with the Russians? A bit of diplomacy with an eye to future relations wouldn't go astray. Why does the Irish government pretend to be neutral? We clearly are not. |
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