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Post by hilary on Dec 4, 2022 13:47:01 GMT
Mairead Maguire has called for Ukraine to agree an immediate ceasefire with Russia and I thought this link was worth sharing. Afri, the Irish NGO, launched a new book on Irish neutrality at Leinster House last Wednesday. www.afri.ie/category/book-launch-a-force-for-good/"As our planet teeters on a precipice, with less than a decade left before catastrophic climate disaster, with the war industry being one of the primary contributors to global warming, what does the Irish government do? It sets out to calculatedly and deliberately develop a weapons industry and becomes ever more involved in aggressive military operations. To illustrate the twisted logic at play in current government policies, a recent seminar hosted by the Department of Defence, to encourage Irish companies and Third Level Institutions to become involved in military research and development was grotesquely entitled ‘Building the Ecosystem’!" "How can our Government and Establishment plan to celebrate the Irish peace process and the 25th anniversary of the Belfast/Good Friday agreement, when they’ve abandoned the very values of patient, peaceful conflict resolutions which underpinned that process, flowing from Article 29 of Bunreacht na hÉireann?" "Commenting on the launch, Joe Murray of Afri said: “Despite the constant hollowing out and demeaning of neutrality, we will continue to defend this proud and practical policy and to demand that the militaristically minded minority respect the will of the people on this critically important issue. We owe it to our children to challenge the reckless addiction to war and violence, which wreaks havoc on human beings as well as on the natural world and even threatens the destruction of our very planet home”.
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Post by cato on Dec 5, 2022 18:32:49 GMT
Mairead Maguire has called for Ukraine to agree an immediate ceasefire with Russia and I thought this link was worth sharing. Afri, the Irish NGO, launched a new book on Irish neutrality at Leinster House last Wednesday. www.afri.ie/category/book-launch-a-force-for-good/"As our planet teeters on a precipice, with less than a decade left before catastrophic climate disaster, with the war industry being one of the primary contributors to global warming, what does the Irish government do? It sets out to calculatedly and deliberately develop a weapons industry and becomes ever more involved in aggressive military operations. To illustrate the twisted logic at play in current government policies, a recent seminar hosted by the Department of Defence, to encourage Irish companies and Third Level Institutions to become involved in military research and development was grotesquely entitled ‘Building the Ecosystem’!" "How can our Government and Establishment plan to celebrate the Irish peace process and the 25th anniversary of the Belfast/Good Friday agreement, when they’ve abandoned the very values of patient, peaceful conflict resolutions which underpinned that process, flowing from Article 29 of Bunreacht na hÉireann?" "Commenting on the launch, Joe Murray of Afri said: “Despite the constant hollowing out and demeaning of neutrality, we will continue to defend this proud and practical policy and to demand that the militaristically minded minority respect the will of the people on this critically important issue. We owe it to our children to challenge the reckless addiction to war and violence, which wreaks havoc on human beings as well as on the natural world and even threatens the destruction of our very planet home”. [br The Irish left mainly have a unique approach to the topic of Neutrality . Its mainly defined as quasi pacifist, anti military and anti Western. Neutrality is a concept in international law but Ireland has never signed up to the Hague treaties as these impose standards on Neutral states to deny their territory by force if necessary to foreign powers. That's why real Neutral states like Austria , Switzerland, and up until Putins aggression Sweden and Finland have properly equipped militaries and even conscription!!! They aren't war mongers but they take their Neutral status seriously. The Irish Neutrality lobby by and large oppose defending our Neutrality by equipping and properly paying our own military. Our airspace and seas are practically undefended. This is not a policy any Irish patriot who lives in the real world can justify. Hilary do you propose paying for Irish Neutrality or continuing the present hypocritical reliance on the UK, the EU and NATO ultimately?
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Post by hilary on Dec 6, 2022 21:43:14 GMT
Mairead Maguire has called for Ukraine to agree an immediate ceasefire with Russia and I thought this link was worth sharing. Afri, the Irish NGO, launched a new book on Irish neutrality at Leinster House last Wednesday. www.afri.ie/category/book-launch-a-force-for-good/"As our planet teeters on a precipice, with less than a decade left before catastrophic climate disaster, with the war industry being one of the primary contributors to global warming, what does the Irish government do? It sets out to calculatedly and deliberately develop a weapons industry and becomes ever more involved in aggressive military operations. To illustrate the twisted logic at play in current government policies, a recent seminar hosted by the Department of Defence, to encourage Irish companies and Third Level Institutions to become involved in military research and development was grotesquely entitled ‘Building the Ecosystem’!" "How can our Government and Establishment plan to celebrate the Irish peace process and the 25th anniversary of the Belfast/Good Friday agreement, when they’ve abandoned the very values of patient, peaceful conflict resolutions which underpinned that process, flowing from Article 29 of Bunreacht na hÉireann?" "Commenting on the launch, Joe Murray of Afri said: “Despite the constant hollowing out and demeaning of neutrality, we will continue to defend this proud and practical policy and to demand that the militaristically minded minority respect the will of the people on this critically important issue. We owe it to our children to challenge the reckless addiction to war and violence, which wreaks havoc on human beings as well as on the natural world and even threatens the destruction of our very planet home”. [br The Irish left mainly have a unique approach to the topic of Neutrality . Its mainly defined as quasi pacifist, anti military and anti Western. Neutrality is a concept in international law but Ireland has never signed up to the Hague treaties as these impose standards on Neutral states to deny their territory by force if necessary to foreign powers. That's why real Neutral states like Austria , Switzerland, and up until Putins aggression Sweden and Finland have properly equipped militaries and even conscription!!! They aren't war mongers but they take their Neutral status seriously. The Irish Neutrality lobby by and large oppose defending our Neutrality by equipping and properly paying our own military. Our airspace and seas are practically undefended. This is not a policy any Irish patriot who lives in the real world can justify. Hilary do you propose paying for Irish Neutrality or continuing the present hypocritical reliance on the UK, the EU and NATO ultimately? The military industrial complex is driving the war in Ukraine. It's a big industry as I'm sure you know. I was watching a recent interview with Sanna Marin, Prime Minister of Finland and WEF Young Global Leader, after seeing an extract on UK Column yesterday, and she repeats the mantra that whatever it takes, peace has to come on Ukrainian terms. There is no talk of compromise or negotiations - the same as with Zelensky, Coveney, Van Der Leyen. No acknowledgment of the civil war in the Donbass for the last eight years. Sanna was in New Zealand recently and she was asked why she and Jacinda Ardern were meeting - whether it was because they were both of the young female demographic - I think they both took exception to the suggestion and said it was because they were both prime ministers. Probably didn't mention they were both Young Global Leaders of the WEF. The experience of the Irish response to the war in Ukraine underlines the importance of neutrality. It seems that our government had to get involved, cheering on the EU position. There is no real debate in the Dáil, just a handful of independent TD's with little speaking time, and certainly none on the mainstream media. Globalists running the show.
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Post by cato on Dec 7, 2022 12:08:40 GMT
[br The Irish left mainly have a unique approach to the topic of Neutrality . Its mainly defined as quasi pacifist, anti military and anti Western. Neutrality is a concept in international law but Ireland has never signed up to the Hague treaties as these impose standards on Neutral states to deny their territory by force if necessary to foreign powers. That's why real Neutral states like Austria , Switzerland, and up until Putins aggression Sweden and Finland have properly equipped militaries and even conscription!!! They aren't war mongers but they take their Neutral status seriously. The Irish Neutrality lobby by and large oppose defending our Neutrality by equipping and properly paying our own military. Our airspace and seas are practically undefended. This is not a policy any Irish patriot who lives in the real world can justify. Hilary do you propose paying for Irish Neutrality or continuing the present hypocritical reliance on the UK, the EU and NATO ultimately? The military industrial complex is driving the war in Ukraine. It's a big industry as I'm sure you know. I was watching a recent interview with Sanna Marin, Prime Minister of Finland and WEF Young Global Leader, after seeing an extract on UK Column yesterday, and she repeats the mantra that whatever it takes, peace has to come on Ukrainian terms. There is no talk of compromise or negotiations - the same as with Zelensky, Coveney, Van Der Leyen. No acknowledgment of the civil war in the Donbass for the last eight years. Sanna was in New Zealand recently and she was asked why she and Jacinda Ardern were meeting - whether it was because they were both of the young female demographic - I think they both took exception to the suggestion and said it was because they were both prime ministers. Probably didn't mention they were both Young Global Leaders of the WEF. The experience of the Irish response to the war in Ukraine underlines the importance of neutrality. It seems that our government had to get involved, cheering on the EU position. There is no real debate in the Dáil, just a handful of independent TD's with little speaking time, and certainly none on the mainstream media. Globalists running the show. I thought Putin launched an invasion this spring but actually its really all the fault of the"industrial military complexes" of the west. This is student union level posturing divorced from any engagement with historical understanding or geopolitics. Hilary made no attempt to engage with any comment I made on the Holy cow of pseudo (neutered) neutrality we practice in reality. Ireland is deliberately defenceless. This is criminally deluded. This left wing nonsense ignores Russias desire to be a dominant military policy in Eastern Europe. Russia, the possessor of the largest army in Europe and the biggest nuclear arsenal on earth is the perpetual victim. Ironically many Irish Nationalist support an Imperial power that has oppressed the Poles, Finns, Baltic and Ukrainian peoples for centuries. The same types will inevitably support Palestine against Zionist oppression. During the cold war most of the Conservative right opposed the Stalinist carve up of Europe. Nowadays large swathes seem to have an international outlook identical to that of the Kremlin and the hard left. The extremes are united in hatred of the West. All the talk of "negotiations" involves the Ukrainians handing their territories to Russia thus rewarding Putins aggression. Why won't he come back for more? He has a proven track record of lying and using his forces in a brutal manner. The way out? Withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine and then UN supervised peace talks .
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Post by Antaine on Dec 7, 2022 18:26:34 GMT
What about Ukrainian soldiers bragging about hunting down "collaborators" like dogs? I thought all of Ukraine was united behind Zelensky? How do we know how many people want to be a part of Russia, if Ukraine just murders them off? In other news, Zelensky has taken to raiding Orthodox churches he has determined are enemies of the state. So again, just plucking off anyone not on board till the mirage of a united Ukraine becomes more solid. I know there is a lot of controversy about churches being too close with Putin, but when does it cross the line into blasphemy? I know Zelensky is Jewish, so in his mind it probably makes little difference, but for actual Christians?
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Post by hilary on Dec 7, 2022 20:58:36 GMT
"Hilary made no attempt to engage with any comment I made on the Holy cow of pseudo (neutered) neutrality we practice in reality. Ireland is deliberately defenceless. This is criminally deluded"
I was trying to help you keep your resolution not to be wasting time arguing with strangers on social media, Cato.
Who would we be defending ourselves against? Russia, presumably. We're more at risk now from Russia because of our Government getting stuck in to insult Russia at every opportunity, following instructions from EU no doubt.
We live beside an imperial power and we're getting on ok, as Poland, Finland, the Baltic states and Ukraine were with Russia, doing lots of mutually beneficial business together etc. But in some parts of Ukraine the majority wanted to be with Russia. Some of those are elderly people who lived all their lives as Russian and have suffered shelling from what is supposed to be their own country since 2014, or at least haven't had protection. They were treated as second class citizens.
We could spend more on the army, but avoiding conflict should be the priority.
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Post by hilary on Dec 10, 2022 16:03:43 GMT
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Post by cato on Dec 11, 2022 20:52:22 GMT
"Hilary made no attempt to engage with any comment I made on the Holy cow of pseudo (neutered) neutrality we practice in reality. Ireland is deliberately defenceless. This is criminally deluded" I was trying to help you keep your resolution not to be wasting time arguing with strangers on social media, Cato. Who would we be defending ourselves against? Russia, presumably. We're more at risk now from Russia because of our Government getting stuck in to insult Russia at every opportunity, following instructions from EU no doubt. We live beside an imperial power and we're getting on ok, as Poland, Finland, the Baltic states and Ukraine were with Russia, doing lots of mutually beneficial business together etc. But in some parts of Ukraine the majority wanted to be with Russia. Some of those are elderly people who lived all their lives as Russian and have suffered shelling from what is supposed to be their own country since 2014, or at least haven't had protection. They were treated as second class citizens. We could spend more on the army, but avoiding conflict should be the priority. Hilary I wasn't referring to this site, this conversation or you when I made that reference to wasting time on social media. I am intrigued how many on the Irish right seem to have the same outlook as Irish Marxists of various hues on the issue of Ukraine. Ukraine or any other sovereign state has the right to self defence and the right to request assistance to resist horrific aggression. All those states trading happily with Russia you mention bar Ukraine are part of NATO. Ireland only stayed out of NATO because of Partition and the interparty government sought a bilateral military agreement with the USA . Ireland is a weak spot in Europe and has been exploited by Russian bombers in recent years and nuclear armed ships earlier this year. Our Internet cables are also vulnerable to attack. Sovereignty involves defending your land sea and air. We do not even attempt to do this. Being at risk of attack because we hurt Russias feelings...... !Is there any normal state that threatens force against states because they condemn war crimes. This sounds very much like callous Cowardice. Many of those strongest in favour of our neutrality seem to know very little about it what it entails and the current European security situation.
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Post by daft on Feb 10, 2023 21:59:28 GMT
The military industrial complex is driving the war in Ukraine. It's a big industry as I'm sure you know. I was watching a recent interview with Sanna Marin, Prime Minister of Finland and WEF Young Global Leader, after seeing an extract on UK Column yesterday, and she repeats the mantra that whatever it takes, peace has to come on Ukrainian terms. There is no talk of compromise or negotiations - the same as with Zelensky, Coveney, Van Der Leyen. No acknowledgment of the civil war in the Donbass for the last eight years. Sanna was in New Zealand recently and she was asked why she and Jacinda Ardern were meeting - whether it was because they were both of the young female demographic - I think they both took exception to the suggestion and said it was because they were both prime ministers. Probably didn't mention they were both Young Global Leaders of the WEF. The experience of the Irish response to the war in Ukraine underlines the importance of neutrality. It seems that our government had to get involved, cheering on the EU position. There is no real debate in the Dáil, just a handful of independent TD's with little speaking time, and certainly none on the mainstream media. Globalists running the show.
I thought Putin launched an invasion this spring but actually its really all the fault of the"industrial military complexes" of the west. This is student union level posturing divorced from any engagement with historical understanding or geopolitics. Hilary made no attempt to engage with any comment I made on the Holy cow of pseudo (neutered) neutrality we practice in reality. Ireland is deliberately defenceless. This is criminally deluded.Try this criminal delusion for size you mentioned the poster being divorced from historical understanding . jacob schiff of Khune lobe and co raised 300 million dollars on wall st to defeat the tsar by funding the japanese russia war in the 1890s for which he got the treasure of japan award from the victorious emperor. this action was designed to weaken the tsar before he and his kind robbed and piteously destroyed russia . he then gave leon trotsky 22 million from his arse pocket to kick start the russian revolution by murdering the tsar and seizing the wealth of russia . trotsky assembled a train in switzerland and had hundreds of nightmarish figures aboard many from the jewish east side of new york and his train and money was given safe passage through the german lines of WW1 by max warburg head of german intelligence and hamburg banker and brother of his fellow signatory on their designed WW1 armistice . his brother was paul warburg another partner in kuhne lobe and co . he founded the USA federal reserve which is not federal and has no reserves and he signed on behalf of the usa and brother max signed for germany. busy little office that in world affairs, a mere 100 million were murdered/died in the kuhne and lobe russian revolution . come forward to the 1990s and i and my wife were in russia when putin came to power --the economy was collapsed from new york to rob it as the ruble was brought to 1/52nd of its value and your 520 dollar pension was now 10 dollars per month if you were lucky. an excess of 9million people died at this time from starvation and suicide --i was there and it was extremely dangerous and frightening-is there any mention of this holocaust in any holocaust museum -- is 9 million more than 6 million --i suppose if you look at it like the media do the 9 million is much less than the 6 million much much less . putin has a doctorate in economics and a masters in german and he saved russia from the oligarchs who were given refuge in mainly israel due to their race . today Anthony blinken sec of state and undersec victoria nuland and zlenksky are the same race and are trying to rob russia again with what the USA call neocons as they cannot say publicly what race they are or mention that the USA was recorded picking and installing THEIR USA government in the ukraine - (google F THE EU speech ) which as -you know shelled fellow ukrainians for 9 long years. and 15000 were killed by their new us government which replaced the democratically elected one they had voted for . this third of the population of russian ethnicity -- which voted as a block and kept nato out and therefore had to be got rid of. i hope you have learned a little humility and some history from some one who was there and saw the results of what can only be called satanic greed --these people are not human nor do they allow us the status of human in their formal openly stated religion/beliefs. This left wing nonsense ignores Russias desire to be a dominant military policy in Eastern Europe. Russia, the possessor of the largest army in Europe and the biggest nuclear arsenal on earth is the perpetual victim. Ironically many Irish Nationalist support an Imperial power that has oppressed the Poles, Finns, Baltic and Ukrainian peoples for centuries. The same types will inevitably support Palestine against Zionist oppression. During the cold war most of the Conservative right opposed the Stalinist carve up of Europe. Nowadays large swathes seem to have an international outlook identical to that of the Kremlin and the hard left. The extremes are united in hatred of the West. All the talk of "negotiations" involves the Ukrainians handing their territories to Russia thus rewarding Putins aggression. Why won't he come back for more? He has a proven track record of lying and using his forces in a brutal manner. The way out? Withdrawal of Russia from Ukraine and then UN supervised peace talks . What about Ukrainian soldiers bragging about hunting down "collaborators" like dogs? I thought all of Ukraine was united behind Zelensky? How do we know how many people want to be a part of Russia, if Ukraine just murders them off? In other news, Zelensky has taken to raiding Orthodox churches he has determined are enemies of the state. So again, just plucking off anyone not on board till the mirage of a united Ukraine becomes more solid. I know there is a lot of controversy about churches being too close with Putin, but when does it cross the line into blasphemy? I know Zelensky is Jewish, so in his mind it probably makes little difference, but for actual Christians?
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Post by eala on Mar 9, 2023 19:24:44 GMT
It's hard to get through the Western propaganda to get at the Russian propaganda. My instinct is to say: "A plague on all their houses". I blame NATO and globalism for bringing the crisis about. Which doesn't justify Putin's actions. My instinct is always to side with the small nation. But does that mean we should side with the Ukraine or with the two new states Russia has recognized? The media says these are simply Russian puppet states but does that delegitimize them? Peter Hitchens is the sanest voice I've heard on it.
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Post by daft on Mar 10, 2023 11:15:29 GMT
today russia launched 81 missiles at ukraines infrastructure as a start to their war for the survival of russia . mitch mcconnell ( republican leader of the house)and others have publicly stated this war is to destroy russia , fragment it and set each fragment at each other's throats to fully destroy it for all time following the removal of Vladimir Putin and or the stated preference for somebody close to him to execute him . To state this in congress openly in front of the worlds cameras is a declaration of war . to further alarm there was no pushback from the democrats none -- both parties in congress are on the same page --same plan -- DESTROY RUSSIA AND ROB IT. if you were mr putin would this confuse you or clarify the situation the russian people are in . they are now engaged in a fight for their survival and holy neutral ireland has taken the biden /neocon schilling and is baying for russian blood . when the nazis in the ukraine murdered 15,000 russian speaking ukrainians did holy ireland buy as much as a used lidl tent for them -- nothing they were untermenschen . why are some ukrainians human and others a type of infected badger which it is possible to exterminate without too much fuss.
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Post by Antaine on Mar 14, 2023 14:45:58 GMT
Not really Ukraine-Russia related, but in that part of the world. Also, some might argue it's related in the sense of Western interference.
Georgia recently attempted to introduce a law where any organisation receiving over 20% of its funding from foreign countries would have to register as a foreign agent, and I suppose be more transparent about their funds. Apparently there was riots because of this, and the law has now been withdrawn. If this isn't some sort of interference, what is it?
I am open to learning here, but I fail to see why ordinary Georgians would protest such a law that, to my understanding, would make it more obvious which organisations may be influenced by outside powers?
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