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Post by cato on Apr 2, 2022 8:41:37 GMT
The men had no obligation to talk to him at all. They could just have ignored him. Obviously they were not fifty, but would you want to be shot by Russian troops? I realize it's the Ukrainians insisting men stay and fight, but I don't blame any men at all who say: "Sod this, I'm out of here." It's not like Zelensky is leading from the front line. [b
At the risk of being pedantic Maolsheachlann Zelensky is leading from the front line by being deliberately present in a battle zone in Kiev to rally Ukrainian resistance. One Russian missile or an assassins bullet could kill him at any time. He is not a professional soldier so his presence in a trench with a rifle would be rather idiotic. Putin perhaps more sensibly but much less courageously has stayed well behind the lines.
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Post by hilary on Apr 2, 2022 20:52:41 GMT
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Post by cato on Apr 3, 2022 10:46:35 GMT
I wasted 5 minutes listening to that . Basic bog standard pro Kremlin propaganda. If we really believe this de Nazifying/demilitarising line after the last six weeks of real fascist style state violence and nuclear threats we are really in useful idiot territory. The 1938 claim is ahistorical nonsense too. Who exactly was going to intervene in Germany in 1938? Hitler had been constitutionally elected and had invaded no one at that stage against their will. The holocaust had not yet commenced. The USA was isolationist and not interested in European affairs, the UK and France were disarmed and led by appeasers and pacifists and Stalins Russia was feared more than the Nazis by many on the right. Stalin was busy purging his own party and military in the great show trials of the 1930s.
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Post by hilary on Apr 3, 2022 19:58:01 GMT
The 1938 claim is ahistorical nonsense too. Who exactly was going to intervene in Germany in 1938? Hitler had been constitutionally elected and had invaded no one at that stage against their will. The holocaust had not yet commenced. He talks about Czechoslovakia and France having had strong armies. The point is that if someone had intervened Hitler could have been stopped. They say there were only a small number of Nazis but the ordinary people can be convinced to go along with atrocities. But in case I am falling into the trap of seeing the enemy's enemy as the friend, I will watch some of the videos included in the show notes attached to James Corbett's video linked below. He includes Putin at the World Economic Forum in 2021 and reminds viewers that Putin went along with all the Covid nonsense too. www.corbettreport.com/putin/
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Post by cato on Apr 3, 2022 21:05:30 GMT
The 1938 claim is ahistorical nonsense too. Who exactly was going to intervene in Germany in 1938? Hitler had been constitutionally elected and had invaded no one at that stage against their will. The holocaust had not yet commenced. He talks about Czechoslovakia and France having had strong armies. The point is that if someone had intervened Hitler could have been stopped. They say there were only a small number of Nazis but the ordinary people can be convinced to go along with atrocities. But in case I am falling into the trap of seeing the enemy's enemy as the friend, I will watch some of the videos included in the show notes attached to James Corbett's video linked below. He includes Putin at the World Economic Forum in 2021 and reminds viewers that Putin went along with all the Covid nonsense too. www.corbettreport.com/putin/Czechoslovakia was betrayed by the French and British who wanted to believe Hitler had 1) legitimate grievances 2) Germany had been treated unfairly 3) This was his last demand and that he was trustworthy. 4) appeasing him would buy time to rearm to prepare for eventual war. Czechoslovakia had a strong army and military industry but was diplomatically isolated and bullied by Hitler into capitulation after its Western allies abandoned it. The French army was poorly led , morale was poor and the French government had no will or wish to fight in its own defence in 1940 let alone invade Germany in 1938. Many thought it was a powerful force but it collapsed in ignominy in less than two months.
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Post by Tomas on Apr 4, 2022 12:46:11 GMT
He talks about Czechoslovakia and France having had strong armies. The point is that if someone had intervened Hitler could have been stopped. They say there were only a small number of Nazis but the ordinary people can be convinced to go along with atrocities. But in case I am falling into the trap of seeing the enemy's enemy as the friend, I will watch some of the videos included in the show notes attached to James Corbett's video linked below. He includes Putin at the World Economic Forum in 2021 and reminds viewers that Putin went along with all the Covid nonsense too. www.corbettreport.com/putin/Czechoslovakia was betrayed by the French and British who wanted to believe Hitler had 1) legitimate grievances 2) Germany had been treated unfairly 3) This was his last demand and that he was trustworthy. 4) appeasing him would buy time to rearm to prepare for eventual war. Czechoslovakia had a strong army and military industry but was diplomatically isolated and bullied by Hitler into capitulation after its Western allies abandoned it. The French army was poorly led , morale was poor and the French government had no will or wish to fight in its own defence in 1940 let alone invade Germany in 1938. Many thought it was a powerful force but it collapsed in ignominy in less than two months. These easy historical parallells always fails. Yet there is something likeable just the same in wanting to look at contrafactual history from an underdog view. Wasn´t Czechoslovakia as well as Poland, despite the anachronistic differences, a bit like Ukraine after all? Border state, weakened by certain forces, preparatory used as excuses for power politics and invasion? To have hindered the invador would have demanded an allied front of defence. In that way it´s somehow like the other big players simply wait and watch. Blaming the worst guy invading, yet calculated passive in working for alliance ahead in time. In our time like then also prepared by some years of intensified demoralisation campaigning in the West in general. Looks like the imperial bullies act when their position is strong enough if the democratic "enemies" stands unawares.
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Post by hilary on Apr 7, 2022 17:35:08 GMT
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Post by cato on Apr 7, 2022 21:58:18 GMT
I think this is a first for this site! A favourable reference to comrade Daly.
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Post by Antaine on Apr 20, 2022 20:52:21 GMT
Gonzalo Lira - better known to people as Coach Red Pill - who I believe was a prominent figure in the MGTOW movement, has apparently been murdered by the Azov battalion. He had been in Ukraine and critical of the Ukrainian military and government. While I did not see it myself, 2 days ago I read there was a tweet from an Azov leader that Lira had been captured, would be tortured, and decapitation being considered as the final blow.
The media are quick to cover the story of journalists killed in cross-fire, but they obviously won't cover a story about a man abducted and brutally murdered by the Ukrainians. Sure, you can say he provoked them by being critical, but if it were a similar situation with Russians instead, the journalists and politicians of the West would be crying about "an attack on free speech."
Being in a dire war can cause people to act more inhumanely, sure, but this was an ordinary man who makes videos and livestreams. His influence is obviously nothing compared to the Western media. At the very most, they could have roughed him up and given him a bit of a beating before sending him on his way. Instead they did this.
These are not good people.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Apr 21, 2022 8:48:58 GMT
Gonzalo Lira - better known to people as Coach Red Pill - who I believe was a prominent figure in the MGTOW movement, has apparently been murdered by the Azov battalion. He had been in Ukraine and critical of the Ukrainian military and government. While I did not see it myself, 2 days ago I read there was a tweet from an Azov leader that Lira had been captured, would be tortured, and decapitation being considered as the final blow. The media are quick to cover the story of journalists killed in cross-fire, but they obviously won't cover a story about a man abducted and brutally murdered by the Ukrainians. Sure, you can say he provoked them by being critical, but if it were a similar situation with Russians instead, the journalists and politicians of the West would be crying about "an attack on free speech." Being in a dire war can cause people to act more inhumanely, sure, but this was an ordinary man who makes videos and livestreams. His influence is obviously nothing compared to the Western media. At the very most, they could have roughed him up and given him a bit of a beating before sending him on his way. Instead they did this. These are not good people. Utterly horrific. I saw a couple of his videos and didn't think much of them, but it's barbaric that he was murdered. I think almost everyone, whatever their views on the conflict, would agree that the media coverage is extremely one-sided.
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Post by Stephen on Apr 21, 2022 9:53:01 GMT
Gonzalo Lira - better known to people as Coach Red Pill - who I believe was a prominent figure in the MGTOW movement, has apparently been murdered by the Azov battalion. He had been in Ukraine and critical of the Ukrainian military and government. While I did not see it myself, 2 days ago I read there was a tweet from an Azov leader that Lira had been captured, would be tortured, and decapitation being considered as the final blow. The media are quick to cover the story of journalists killed in cross-fire, but they obviously won't cover a story about a man abducted and brutally murdered by the Ukrainians. Sure, you can say he provoked them by being critical, but if it were a similar situation with Russians instead, the journalists and politicians of the West would be crying about "an attack on free speech." Being in a dire war can cause people to act more inhumanely, sure, but this was an ordinary man who makes videos and livestreams. His influence is obviously nothing compared to the Western media. At the very most, they could have roughed him up and given him a bit of a beating before sending him on his way. Instead they did this. These are not good people. Utterly horrific. I saw a couple of his videos and didn't think much of them, but it's barbaric that he was murdered. I think almost everyone, whatever their views on the conflict, would agree that the media coverage is extremely one-sided. I echo your sentiments about Gonzalo Lira.
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Post by Antaine on Apr 22, 2022 17:22:13 GMT
Well, I must confess to when I have made a mistake. I haven't watched the video yet, but Gonzalo Lira is alive and well:
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Apr 23, 2022 6:03:16 GMT
Well, I must confess to when I have made a mistake. I haven't watched the video yet, but Gonzalo Lira is alive and well: Good news 👏
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on Apr 25, 2022 15:01:21 GMT
Where there is misery, there is always opportunity. An interest Look at who is profiting from the war.
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Post by Seán Ó Murchú on May 9, 2022 9:24:53 GMT
Russia's annual Victory Day
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