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Post by assisi on Mar 20, 2019 12:19:57 GMT
I sense when the history of Brecit is written future generations will be bewildered at all the twists and turns. We are now less than two weeks away and it appears more confusing than ever. A few things brought us to this sorry mess. Mrs May is a hopeless negiotator. She took a direct hands on approach and conceded major issues like a large UK contribution to the EU straight away. She has been unable to appeal to pro Brexit Labour Mps whose support she needs. Parliament contains a remain majority who either want no Brexit or a soft one. The Tory and Labour parties are divided on this issue. Mrs May has a minority government dependent on DUP support . They don't like her Brexit proposals to date. The speaker of parliament is blatantly anti-Brexit and has misused his position to undermine the democratic result most recently by quoting a 1604 convention to tell the government he will not allow another vote on May's deal - the only deal that is legally possible at this stage. Europe has run a ruthless united and hostile campaign against Brexit. They have made no attempt to come half way. They are determined to make departure as painful and humiliating as possible. This policy is designed to deter other possible departures. It is strange that the nice shiny EU that prides itself as preventing war and on promoting human rights is behaving like a group of mafia dons threatening and bullying. Despite being shafted by the EU during the last financial crisis and now lumbered with a colossal 200 billion Euro debt the Irish are the most pro European nation in the EU according to Euro polls. Mrs May said on record at the start of negotiations that 'no deal' is better than a 'bad deal'. Well here we are and that didn't amount to much. Actually scrapping one of your main options, the 'no deal' option is negotiating suicide, handing the EU another advantage. It is clear that the Cabinet and the MPs at Westminster want remain or a hybrid option. They are going against the populace and it is a very dangerous strategy. The EU has shown itself to be anything like the 'peaceful' organisation it was established to be. It is more interested in retaining power and influence. As Macron said last year on a visit to Denmark, there is ' No Such Thing as a True Dane, True Frenchman'. I'm sure many of our Irish politicians and elites are of the same mind (at a push they can be Irish for the occasional Rugby match or St. Patrick's event). Perhaps we should not call the EU enthusiasts Irish, but instead call them 'the EU imperialists in Ireland'. |
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Mar 20, 2019 17:20:07 GMT
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Mar 20, 2019 17:20:07 GMT
I sense when the history of Brecit is written future generations will be bewildered at all the twists and turns. We are now less than two weeks away and it appears more confusing than ever. A few things brought us to this sorry mess. Mrs May is a hopeless negiotator. She took a direct hands on approach and conceded major issues like a large UK contribution to the EU straight away. She has been unable to appeal to pro Brexit Labour Mps whose support she needs. Parliament contains a remain majority who either want no Brexit or a soft one. The Tory and Labour parties are divided on this issue. Mrs May has a minority government dependent on DUP support . They don't like her Brexit proposals to date. The speaker of parliament is blatantly anti-Brexit and has misused his position to undermine the democratic result most recently by quoting a 1604 convention to tell the government he will not allow another vote on May's deal - the only deal that is legally possible at this stage. Europe has run a ruthless united and hostile campaign against Brexit. They have made no attempt to come half way. They are determined to make departure as painful and humiliating as possible. This policy is designed to deter other possible departures. It is strange that the nice shiny EU that prides itself as preventing war and on promoting human rights is behaving like a group of mafia dons threatening and bullying. Despite being shafted by the EU during the last financial crisis and now lumbered with a colossal 200 billion Euro debt the Irish are the most pro European nation in the EU according to Euro polls. Mrs May said on record at the start of negotiations that 'no deal' is better than a 'bad deal'. Well here we are and that didn't amount to much. Actually scrapping one of your main options, the 'no deal' option is negotiating suicide, handing the EU another advantage. It is clear that the Cabinet and the MPs at Westminster want remain or a hybrid option. They are going against the populace and it is a very dangerous strategy. The EU has shown itself to be anything like the 'peaceful' organisation it was established to be. It is more interested in retaining power and influence. As Macron said last year on a visit to Denmark, there is ' No Such Thing as a True Dane, True Frenchman'. I'm sure many of our Irish politicians and elites are of the same mind (at a push they can be Irish for the occasional Rugby match or St. Patrick's event). Perhaps we should not call the EU enthusiasts Irish, but instead call them 'the EU imperialists in Ireland'. European Unionists fits nicely. |
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Mar 20, 2019 22:00:22 GMT
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Post by cato on Mar 20, 2019 22:00:22 GMT
I suspect at heart our media , our politicians , our church leaders and a large proportion of the people of Ireland are delighted to be under the protection of the European Empire. It's comforting to be good conforming Europeans.
And we kid ourselves that those British voters who want sovereign independence are harking after a lost Empire.
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Post by cato on Mar 26, 2019 17:01:37 GMT
Brexit is now mired down in chaos thanks to a bitterly divided house of commons and an internal campaign funded by the EU to undermine the Brexit referendum.
No one seems to know where this is going. Last Saturday's Daily Telegraph said Brexit was close to being lost. RTE said that a disorderly Brexit was likely.
Jacob Rees Mogg has today said the May deal is not a good one but it is better than no Brexit. Perhaps some one should remind the British about Michael Collins and his attitude to the Anglo Irish treaty. Better take the concessions on offer and work gradually to expand them. I don't think it will take the UK 20 years to get out of the EU but no one knows if the EU itself will survive the next few decades .
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Mar 27, 2019 11:28:24 GMT
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Post by Séamus on Mar 27, 2019 11:28:24 GMT
Brexit is now mired down in chaos thanks to a bitterly divided house of commons and an internal campaign funded by the EU to undermine the Brexit referendum. No one seems to know where this is going. Last Saturday's Daily Telegraph said Brexit was close to being lost. RTE said that a disorderly Brexit was likely. Jacob Rees Mogg has today said the May deal is not a good one but it is better than no Brexit. Perhaps some one should remind the British about Michael Collins and his attitude to the Anglo Irish treaty. Better take the concessions on offer and work gradually to expand them. I don't think it will take the UK 20 years to get out of the EU but no one knows if the EU itself will survive the next few decades . If anything, you would think that all the nonsense, whether necessary or fabricated by pro-EU politicians and others, would have, by now, turned most Brits off the organisation altogether. How you favour something that has slowly entrenched a nation- boa constrictor-like- over the decades to the point of this, even if you dislike EU for no other reason? |
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Post by cato on Apr 1, 2019 14:20:27 GMT
Today the Irish government who remember promised us there would be no border on the island of Ireland , have said it is vital we protect the EU single market border if the the UK leaves without a deal!
They also said new imaginative ways could be found to police a border without a physical barrier. When pro brexiteers proposed this previously it was dismissed as unworkable. I wonder are we going to see Dublin bend over backwards again for our close friends in Brussels?
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Apr 2, 2019 6:51:11 GMT
Post by Stephen on Apr 2, 2019 6:51:11 GMT
I say... NO DEAL, NO DEAL, NO DEAL...
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Apr 4, 2019 12:00:19 GMT
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Post by cato on Apr 4, 2019 12:00:19 GMT
When the UK prime minister invited Jeremy Corbyn and his gang to discuss a Brexit that they can jointly agree on a few days ago she lost even more support in her own party. By gaining opposition support for the softest of Brexits and or another referendum she alienates her own core supporters.
Or maybe she knows these talks will go nowhere and is planning to blame Labour for the political chaos that may emerge shortly if she cannot get a parliamentary mandate for any deal with Brussels.
The unpredictable drama continues.
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Post by cato on Apr 5, 2019 10:52:57 GMT
I was watching BBCs Question Time last night. Our own Mairead Mc Guinness , Fine Gael MEP was on to patronise and talk down to the British viewers as usual.
Mc Guinness shamelessly advocated People's assemblies and rerunning referenda until the people did what the establishment and media wanted them to do, as we do in little free Ireland.
At one point the presenter decided to do her job and actually question her. She was asked did the EU bear any responsibility for the current mess. She said it bore no blame whatsoever! Later she modified this by saying they should have done more to oppose Brexiteers 10 years ago. No one challenged her. Perhaps they were being polite or wary of being accused of being anti Irish.
The Spectator's Charles Moore raised hackles at the start by pointing out there were 4 remainers ( plus a remain leaning presenter) versus one leaver on the panel. This bias is normal in Ireland on every occasion. Perhaps conservatives should also point out this unfairness for the record on every possible public debate. TV3 often have completely one sided panels when "discussing" controversial matters. One thing will never happen on mainstream TV - you will never see a majority of conservatives on a discussion panel in Ireland. Never. Ever.
In fact you never get simple balance as the "impartial" presenters are inevitably biased against the conservative line.
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Post by Stephen on Apr 5, 2019 12:49:05 GMT
I was watching BBCs Question Time last night. Our own Mairead Mc Guinness , Fine Gael MEP was on to patronise and talk down to the British viewers as usual. Mc Guinness shamelessly advocated People's assemblies and rerunning referenda until the people did what the establishment and media wanted them to do, as we do in little free Ireland. At one point the presenter decided to do her job and actually question her. She was asked did the EU bear any responsibility for the current mess. She said it bore no blame whatsoever! Later she modified this by saying they should have done more to oppose Brexiteers 10 years ago. No one challenged her. Perhaps they were being polite or wary of being accused of being anti Irish. The Spectator's Charles Moore raised hackles at the start by pointing out there were 4 remainers ( plus a remain leaning presenter) versus one leaver on the panel. This bias is normal in Ireland on every occasion. Perhaps conservatives should also point out this unfairness for the record on every possible public debate. TV3 often have completely one sided panels when "discussing" controversial matters. One thing will never happen on mainstream TV - you will never see a majority of conservatives on a discussion panel in Ireland. Never. Ever. In fact you never get simple balance as the "impartial" presenters are inevitably biased against the conservative line.Tr Very true and needs to be constantly stated. To be honest it is like saying water is wet. |
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Apr 16, 2019 19:19:08 GMT
Post by servantofthechief on Apr 16, 2019 19:19:08 GMT
I dont even care anymore.
I want a no deal, crash out of the union, collapse the european market and expose how much the EU really does not give a damn about Ireland, let the Irish market bubble pop and shine the light or truth on the economic lie our government has been feeding us to pacify us and let people get angry. We are not voting our way out of this one until people here, like the rest of Europe, get angry.
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Post by cato on May 20, 2019 10:21:19 GMT
Nigel Farrage's new Brexit party is polling higher than Labour and the Tories combined. This weekend's Euro elections is effectively another Brexit vote. This will be denied of course by those seeking a second "people's vote" especially if Brexit leaning MEPS gain a majority.
In a future UK election Farrage's party are polled at taking over 40 seats from conservatives. Labour wouldn't be able to form a majority government and would need an alliance with Scottish nationalists.
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Post by assisi on May 20, 2019 12:40:23 GMT
Nigel Farrage's new Brexit party is polling higher than Labour and the Tories combined. This weekend's Euro elections is effectively another Brexit vote. This will be denied of course by those seeking a second "people's vote" especially if Brexit leaning MEPS gain a majority. In a future UK election Farrage's party are polled at taking over 40 seats from conservatives. Labour wouldn't be able to form a majority government and would need an alliance with Scottish nationalists. Hopefully Britain finishing bottom at the Eurovision Song Contest will add a few more thousand votes to the Brexit total (the British singer blamed Brexit for him getting a low vote).  |
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Post by Maolsheachlann on May 20, 2019 12:44:32 GMT
Nigel Farrage's new Brexit party is polling higher than Labour and the Tories combined. This weekend's Euro elections is effectively another Brexit vote. This will be denied of course by those seeking a second "people's vote" especially if Brexit leaning MEPS gain a majority. In a future UK election Farrage's party are polled at taking over 40 seats from conservatives. Labour wouldn't be able to form a majority government and would need an alliance with Scottish nationalists. I think the scale of this revolution (if it actually happens) is staggering, since the British electorate has been so traditionally conservative, in terms of not voting for new parties. I think the anger of the Leave votes has been consistently downplayed in the media, which only shows us Remoaner rallies and vox pops. (Yes, "Remoaner" is a cheap shot, but I can't help it as it always makes me laugh.) |
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May 27, 2019 12:58:58 GMT
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Post by Séamus on May 27, 2019 12:58:58 GMT
I would have suggested that devout Brits ask the intercession of St Augustine of Canterbury on his feast today and tomorrow to end their debacle, but Benedict seems more appropriate seeing his history of dealing with poisoned chalices, Mrs May now in the process of passing on the one she took on
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