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Post by cato on Jul 9, 2017 16:51:02 GMT
Vince Cable who is running against no one to become head of the liberal democrats announced on BBC this morning that Brexit will probably not happen given economic uncertainty and the weakness of the tory government. Granted he is an out and out remainer but his smug indifference to the greatest democratic act in British history is quite remarkable.
Of course we in Ireland have experienced Euro-democracy overturn two referendums.Should the UK fail to negotiate a departure it would appear that it is impossible to leave the EU club.
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Jul 10, 2017 7:15:37 GMT
Post by Stephen on Jul 10, 2017 7:15:37 GMT
Vince Cable is much like his party, delusional.
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Post by MourningIreland on Jul 10, 2017 10:34:30 GMT
Vince Cable who is running against no one to become head of the liberal democrats announced on BBC this morning that Brexit will probably not happen given economic uncertainty and the weakness of the tory government. Granted he is an out and out remainer but his smug indifference to the greatest democratic act in British history is quite remarkable. Of course we in Ireland have experienced Euro-democracy overturn two referendums.Should the UK fail to negotiate a departure it would appear that it is impossible to leave the EU club. Public sentiment will determine whether or not Brexit is implemented, and whether Trump and Bannon's anti-globalist agenda will be sustained. At the moment the powers that be are trying to gauge what the people of the West will allow.
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Post by seangladium on Jul 11, 2017 1:43:39 GMT
I still think that economic collapse of much of the EU is a realistic possibility what with the loose fiscal policies/qualitative easing/etc. Like all socialistic systems, sooner or later they will run out of everyone else's money. It then becomes a question of how much damage will occur in the meantime. Unless they are willing to use physical force to keep it together, then it should eventually collapse under its own weight much like the old USSR did.
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Post by ZenoOfCitium on Aug 4, 2017 13:41:27 GMT
I still think that economic collapse of much of the EU is a realistic possibility what with the loose fiscal policies/qualitative easing/etc. Like all socialistic systems, sooner or later they will run out of everyone else's money. It then becomes a question of how much damage will occur in the meantime. Unless they are willing to use physical force to keep it together, then it should eventually collapse under its own weight much like the old USSR did. I think that it will stagger on for quite a while but it is difficult to see it lasting into the centuries. There seems little enthusiasm for it among the peoples of Europe, and in the main such enthusiasm is transactional - they're for it as they see tangible benefits, but there is little identity among the populace as themselves being EU citizens. That identity is common only among much of the political, media and academic elites. The strains caused by the Euro cannot be resolved as the Eurozone itself is not an optimal currency area. The recent financial and economic crisis arose a much from that simply brute fact as it did from the internal political, fiscal and economic conditions within the individual EU states.
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Post by cato on Aug 4, 2017 19:55:52 GMT
The old common market idea was actually a brilliant concept to cooperate economically, but once the eurocrats began to push the political aspects like the free movement of labour and the truly dreadful euro it transformed into a malign force which could end up bankrupting and spliting Europe apart.
We might end up nostalgic for the old EEC which was pretty unglamourous but gave stability and growth and let the nation states run themselves.
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Post by servantofthechief on Aug 5, 2017 21:07:49 GMT
I am tired of the political wrangling over Brexit and I absolutely hate Veradker's stonewalling on the matter with the DUP. Now he is advocating for a 'Soft' Brexit which is no Brexit at all.
Hang them all, and let the next crop of talking heads have the bodies hanging over their heads. I am tired of the political classes of modern democracies.
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Aug 5, 2017 22:12:57 GMT
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Post by cato on Aug 5, 2017 22:12:57 GMT
Unfortunately (and slightly misquoting Ronald Reagan) we ain't seen nothing yet. Europe will do anything and everything short of actual conflict to undermine Brexit.
Varadkar's latest hissy fit is self indulgent and ill advised. We can't just wash our hands and jump up and down in rage. If the Brits mess up we will suffer much more than they will. It is in our national interest to have close friendly ties with the UK . We do have an interest in coming up with unique creative solutions to make the best possible outcome.
Varadkar's suggestion that Northern Ireland be exempt from leaving the customs union and the single market would create a one Ireland economic unit within Europe. Imagine that! Fine Gael will give us a united Ireland!
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Post by cato on Jul 9, 2018 14:20:10 GMT
Events across the Irish sea are heating up. Last week Mrs May locked her ministers up in the heat in her residence in Chequers, confiscated their mobiles and pressurised the Brexiteers into agreeing to a squishy marsh mallow soft style Brexit.
Her Brexit minister resigned last night and Boris Johnston has just followed suit a few minutes ago so her cunning plan would appear to be crumbling. Things may get messy and interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 18:47:06 GMT
Events across the Irish sea are heating up. Last week Mrs May locked her ministers up in the heat in her residence in Chequers, confiscated their mobiles and pressurised the Brexiteers into agreeing to a squishy marsh mallow soft style Brexit. Her Brexit minister resigned last night and Boris Johnston has just followed suit a few minutes ago so her cunning plan would appear to be crumbling. Things may get messy and interesting. Cato's post ties to Maolsheachlann's comments on the long defeat and the rise of the alt-right. A well fought rear guard action or a valiant last stand can buy time and hobble an enemy and are potentially well-worth fighting, bearing in mind that as Christians, we are expressly forbidden from using many of the weapons and tactics of our enemies. The problem with the long defeat, is that the Scriptures teach us that in its later stages we'll see many on the Christian side abandoning their posts or acquiescing to the enemy. Which brings us to Theresa May. She is one of those so-called conservatives who is never willing to fight for conservative principles. She surrenders at the first shot and does not fight the glorious battle. She doesn't seem in the least beholden to the actual voters in her party. With feckless leaders like May, it is easy to understand why some might turn to the alt-Right. For one thing they don't hesitate to state the actual problems, a phenomenon that Douglas Murray has been keen to point out. The worthless leadership of mainstream conservatives is a defining characteristic of our age and is helping to fuel the rise of extremists which has an amplifying effect on the other side. Sooner or later one side or other will reach for totalitarianism as the solution and the West risks collapsing as a positive force in the world. f'Man
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Post by cato on Jul 9, 2018 20:08:19 GMT
Lest we forget, Mrs May sent a tweet,or via some other medium communicated her satisfaction with the Irish referendum result. Probably she was trying to impress the Taoiseach but it struck others as crass and insensitive meddling.
I wonder are people really stupid enough to seek solutions for a declining west in embracing totalitatianism? Dictators don't have a great record in sorting out complex problems. Most strong men solutions have proven to be worse than the original problems they claimed to be solving.
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Jul 9, 2018 20:59:53 GMT
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Post by Stephen on Jul 9, 2018 20:59:53 GMT
Lest we forget, Mrs May sent a tweet,or via some other medium communicated her satisfaction with the Irish referendum result. Probably she was trying to impress the Taoiseach but it struck others as crass and insensitive meddling. I wonder are people really stupid enough to seek solutions for a declining west in embracing totalitatianism? Dictators don't have a great record in sorting out complex problems. Most strong men solutions have proven to be worse than the original problems they claimed to be solving. The great royal houses of Europe helped build Catholic states and the most beautiful civilizations of all time. I understand to most this is like saying why won't this screaming toddler wear the nice white tie suit. when it is a struggle to keep him going feral. I suppose cultures get the governance they deserve.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2018 21:10:45 GMT
Lest we forget, Mrs May sent a tweet,or via some other medium communicated her satisfaction with the Irish referendum result. Probably she was trying to impress the Taoiseach but it struck others as crass and insensitive meddling. I wonder are people really stupid enough to seek solutions for a declining west in embracing totalitatianism? Dictators don't have a great record in sorting out complex problems. Most strong men solutions have proven to be worse than the original problems they claimed to be solving. No one ever made money overestimating the wisdom of the masses. The universities are embracing totalitarianism in their speech codes and political oppression of conservatives. To the extent historical Western values are taught at all they are widely criticized. Google fired a man for doing nothing more than citing mainstream research on gender. Goons are running around the USA beating up and harassing dissenters. The governing elites seem hopelessly incompetent and unresponsive. People want radical change hence Brexit and Trump. If Trump somehow revived an industrial economy while the court overturned ROE, a scenario were the urban left rose up and red-staters backed a Trump dictatorship to quash them is not that far-fetched. These things seem remote but have probabilities that are uncomfortably higher than were we would like them to be. How much more has to head South before a Mussolini seems attractive to people? What were to happen if Merkel opened Germany's borders to another million immigrants in the next 18 months? f'Man
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Post by cato on Aug 18, 2018 22:23:22 GMT
Nigel is back!! I forget how often Nigel Farage has resigned and returned to head UKIP but his decision to return to the fray to ensure Brexit actually happens is good for democracy. Remainers have been trying to do all in their power to delegitimise the vote to leave and to give the people "a second chance".
Farage isn't perfect but he is an example of how one man, albeit larger than life, can stand up to powerful elites and change history. Things are going to get interesting in our eastern neighbour.
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Aug 19, 2018 11:47:06 GMT
Post by Maolsheachlann on Aug 19, 2018 11:47:06 GMT
Nigel is back!! I forget how often Nigel Farage has resigned and returned to head UKIP but his decision to return to the fray to ensure Brexit actually happens is good for democracy. Remainers have been trying to do all in their power to delegitimise the vote to leave and to give the people "a second chance". Farage isn't perfect but he is an example of how one man, albeit larger than life, can stand up to powerful elites and change history. Things are going to get interesting in our eastern neighbour. I love Nigel Farage! He rarely puts a foot wrong...
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