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Post by Tomas on Nov 26, 2021 17:07:45 GMT
The reason I have decided Connacht is a troll is because he times his outrageous comments so strategically. He knows what he's doing. His contributions become fairly reasonable for a sustained amount of time and then he says something completely over the top. It's pretty much the same approach Sacha Baron Cohen uses with Ali G and Borat. Trying to take this posting seriously leads only into the locked phrases apparently. You made that effort and tried to take him seriously, for quite a long while too. Better leave it as it looks to be only a troll wanting no real discussion after all.
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Post by Young Ireland on Nov 26, 2021 20:34:44 GMT
Has Connacht been banned from the board, or are we all going to shun him informally?
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 26, 2021 20:42:18 GMT
Anyone who wishes to do so can engage with him. He hasn't been banned.
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Post by connacht4096 on Nov 28, 2021 22:03:10 GMT
Let me make what may be one final set of remarks here, I request that everyone read it all, even though it is long. Please do comment.
Before I go on to my actual points, I truly believe that there are things that are justified to engage in that are not justified to start. You do not have to agree with any of my other proposals or ideas to agree with that one point. If you disagree with my point about somethings being justified only in response, then of course you will find my arguments wrong, and I acknowledge that nothing I can say will convince you (though please read this anyway)
I am not a troll. A troll, in the context of the internet, means a person who deliberately says offensive things just to make people mad and provoke strong reactions. I am not a troll, sometimes I propose things that seem outrageous, but the purpose is not to make people mad, the purpose is to get an idea out there. If I wanted to just say outrageous things to make you upset, I can think of things far more outrageous then anything I have already expressed.
On the Sinn Féin point; I do not agree with all of Sinn Féin’s policy positions, wheather or not I could qualify as a supporter of theirs depends on the issue you are talking about. Sinn Féin is an overtly socalist party that flirts with outright Marxism; this is a position I find abhorrent. I have tried to go on forums with their supporters (albeit under a different username, just because I often use different ones on different sites) and actually have found that they also reject my opinions. I acknowledge that my opinions are rather idiosyncratic. You can put together a list of nationality and language related questions that I agree with them on, as I do on Irish reunification; but the economic and social policies of Sinn Féin are quite horrific. They talk about “overthrowing the oppressive owner class that exploits most people” and establishing a “workers republic.” I do not want that, I do demand the dismantling of a portion of the currently wealthy, but the purpose of that is to make the wealthy elite class 100% Irish Catholic, and 0% British and Anglican. How well do you think re-establishing the native monarchy of this land would go over with the leftists comprising Sinn Féin? Do you think Sinn Féin would want to restore the gaelic nobility? Sinn Féin purports to be a secularist party, do you think my proposals for overt state support of Catholicism are something they would agree with? My agenda is turning this nation into what it would have been if it had not been invaded. In my view, the Irish people have been so beaten down by centuries of oppression that for the purposes of undoing all the crimes committed against us, it is necessary to establish a system of overt and legally enforced “ardcheannas Gaeilge” (if you care to translate, ‘gaelic supremacy’ is what it means); once we grind all british people and Anglicans into poverty (if they emigrate as a result, it’s win win as far as I am concerned, we get them out of our country, and they don’t get persecuted); after living under 800 years of theft, genocide, dispossession of what belongs to us, a foreign oligarchy ruling us, and tyranny; we have earned reperations, ideally the british government would pay them, but as we lack the jurisdiction to enforce that, the closest thing to them, namely, Anglicans and unionists will have to pick up the bill instead, maybe the british government will actually pay the reperations if the rights of its settlers are held hostage. But after all the wrongs committed and how systemic they were, and their commission over centuries, simply stopping the wrongs is not enough, once you have systemically transferred wealth and opurtunity to one group of people, it tends to perperuate itself, a group that has been persecuted has centuries of wealth they were unable to accumulate and pass down via inheritance; for that reason actively undoing the wrongs is nessecary; reperations are just about the kindest method of doing that; the alternatives are the mass murder of Anglicans and unionists, expelling them from Ireland forever with a clear statement that they will be killed upon return, or droping a nuke on London; reparations are quite moderate compared to those. The way Anglicans could get out of accountability is to willingly give up every benefit they derive from it (which basically means every Anglican who has an above average income would have to give up everything they have ever acquired through inheritance); I am giving them the chance to undo their ancestor’s crimes; the alternative is simple, leave, go build a new life for yourself in a country your ancestors have not wronged, I will pay for your one way trip. If I were made dictator of Ireland, the right of Anglican’s to emigrate will be specially protected and enhanced even as their other rights disappear. Every large house, historic building or major business, as well as every plot of land owned, or title (referring to a place in Ireland) claimed by an Anglican represents a theft from some Irish Catholic; and it ought to be undone. The Anglican church also stole ancient places of worship that were built by Catholics and go back to the Christianization of Ireland, due to the Irish people being overwhelmingly catholic, those must be returned to the catholic church at all cost (I do not dispute protestant ownership of historically catholic pre reformation holy places in countries where the majority of the population became protestant, but in Ireland it did not, so it is theft that must be undone for Anglicans to have them) Similarly our culture must be re-built. It is essential that every single measure must be deployed to save the Irish language, and make it the main language again, I want to start with a body like the “Office québécois de la langue française” to make sure Irish does not decline further, anything Quebec can do, so should Ireland, and much more to re-establish the primacy of the Irish language .ardcheannas Gaeilge is something that is nessecary to gain back what should belong to us, after a long enough period it will cease to be nessecary and can be dismantled then. I am determined to restore Ireland, and if English speakers human rights get in the way of that, then I will violate those rights, and once it is done, execute myself for war crimes. I will take the consequences of such actions. Irish speakers do not deserve equality in my view, they should have special rights over and above other citizens; if that becomes an established enough policy, bilinguals will gradually drift more towards using Irish over time, which will make the language start to regain its practical use. I admit I am an ideological oddity, you can find many issues I agree with Sinn Féin and Social Justice wariors on, and also many I agree with conservatives on. My attempts to spread my particular brand of opinions on Sinn Féin related forums actually went even worse then the one on this forum, at least here I did not get suspended for a week at one point. I am still trying to figure out if anyone else has the same mix of views I do, though I am begging to suspect that the combination of opinions I hold may be unique to me.
I still don’t understand how many conservatives want to preserve the past, yet insist we cannot give out reparations for its wrongs. One being true makes the other a logical corollary; I would love it is someone could explain how that is not an inconsistency. My views are not a typical mix, I will admit that. For this reason I have no natural ideological home.
Participation on this forum has been a usefull experience in figuring that out. If most people on this forum want me to leave I will, though you need to tell me that for me to do so. I can share more details on this if you want me to stay, but if you want me to leave I will. ask me to leave, and I will. Thank you for reading this message at least.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 29, 2021 13:41:43 GMT
Connacht, I have no animosity. I'm thinking youre not a troll now. I'm sure we'd get on fine if we met. I just disagree with your premises so much there is no room for discussion. God bless.
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Post by cato on Nov 29, 2021 15:53:50 GMT
[quote I am determined to restore Ireland, and if English speakers human rights get in the way of that, then I will violate those rights, and once it is done, execute myself for war crimes. I will take the consequences of such actions.
After wading through your above monologue I came across the above gem. By the way paragraphs are a fabulous idea as they make reading a post much easier.
I think you are taking the piss here to be crude. What the hell does that speel even mean? You advocate taking away constitutional rights , make vague threats and seem to suggest your own self destruction.
I had been mellowing after reading Maolsheachlanns comments but now I think we may have to finally stop your nonsense.
The outside world is much less tolerant of the bizarre and outlandish opinions contained in your stream of consciousness. It might be best if you kept them to yourself as you will harm any forum you post on.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Nov 29, 2021 23:46:31 GMT
So after discussion between the administrators we have decided to ban Connacht4096 for a month effective today.
I hate banning anyone but his latest post was just bizarre and disturbing, especially the reference to executing himself for war crimes. Also I think he is putting us in danger of hosting incitement to violence.
Any advocacy of suicide, no matter how outlandish, is completely beyond the pale.
I honestly don't know if he is trolling or not. If he is not, he may be in an emotionally precarious state and the last thing he needs is egging on or argument.
Connacht, if you really do feel this much resentment and anger, it's very unhealthy.Be kind to yourself and let it go. God will avenge historical injustices, not us.
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Post by cato on Dec 6, 2021 18:06:53 GMT
I just deleted a post by Connacht who was banned until after Christmas I recall. If you don't abide by a temporary ban it can be made permanent.
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Dec 6, 2021 20:41:17 GMT
I just deleted a post by Connacht who was banned until after Christmas I recall. If you don't abide by a temporary ban it can be made permanent. If Connact does continue to contribute after his ban expires, he might consider discussing other peoples' ideas and opinions, and not just his own. This is a forum and not a soapbox. Anyone who wants a soapbox can start a blog.
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Post by connacht4096 on Jan 10, 2022 19:47:31 GMT
Sorry about the post while suspended; I was under the impression that being suspended would make the site block me from posting until the suspension ended; so when the site let me submit and type things I thought that meant you had changed your minds. Genuine ignorance of how suspension worked on this site (it did not work that way on the previous site I have been suspended from, there I received a notice of suspension on my account, and was not able to hit post); I waited out the actual duration of it, counting from the date of the unauthorized post. It was a simple mistake about how suspension worked. I will listen to others opinions here, i read this forum for months before creating any account here, and i am seriously considering starting a blog to explain my unusual opinions;
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 10, 2022 20:51:36 GMT
Sorry about the post while suspended; I was under the impression that being suspended would make the site block me from posting until the suspension ended; so when the site let me submit and type things I thought that meant you had changed your minds. Genuine ignorance of how suspension worked on this site (it did not work that way on the previous site I have been suspended from, there I received a notice of suspension on my account, and was not able to hit post); I waited out the actual duration of it, counting from the date of the unauthorized post. It was a simple mistake about how suspension worked. I will listen to others opinions here, i read this forum for months before creating any account here, and i am seriously considering starting a blog to explain my unusual opinions; Nobody had ever been suspended before, that I recall, so there was no policy per se.
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Post by connacht4096 on Jan 10, 2022 22:06:06 GMT
while my proposals for the treatment of Anglicans sound harsh; they are less extreme than what Israel would do to neo Nazis. the duty not to benefit from injustice is not limited to direct perpetrators of the injustice. one who knows themselves to benefit from serious wrongful acts and keeps those benefits instead of returning or refusing them can be construed as an accomplice to the injustice. if i thought there were less harsh methods of achieving the same results as my proposals I would do those instead, but I know of none. does anyone know one or more steps (you do not have to do them all in one step, though I would appreciate it if there were separate proposals that amount to all of the following) that would accomplish the following:- - make the wealthy elite 100% Irish Catholic and 0% Anglican
- return to the irish people and the old Gaelic nobility what was taken from them by usurpers
- reduce the protestent ascendancy to poverty
- secure reparations for the centuries of injustice we have endured
- force Britain to own up to their crimes against Ireland instead of celebrating them
- return ireland's ancient holy places to the religion of the overwelming majority of its people
- save the Irish language from extinction
I give the floor to anyone who claims to have less harsh methods of doing those besides a regime of gaelic supremacy; there is nothing i would love to hear more then a realistic method of acomplishing those; please share them; I wanna hear em; having that done is more importent to me then any question of how
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Post by Maolsheachlann on Jan 10, 2022 23:59:08 GMT
while my proposals for the treatment of Anglicans sound harsh; they are less extreme than what Israel would do to neo Nazis. the duty not to benefit from injustice is not limited to direct perpetrators of the injustice. one who knows themselves to benefit from serious wrongful acts and keeps those benefits instead of returning or refusing them can be construed as an accomplice to the injustice. if i thought there were less harsh methods of achieving the same results as my proposals I would do those instead, but I know of none. does anyone know one or more steps (you do not have to do them all in one step, though I would appreciate it if there were separate proposals that amount to all of the following) that would accomplish the following:- - make the wealthy elite 100% Irish Catholic and 0% Anglican
- return to the irish people and the old Gaelic nobility what was taken from them by usurpers
- reduce the protestent ascendancy to poverty
- secure reparations for the centuries of injustice we have endured
- force Britain to own up to their crimes against Ireland instead of celebrating them
- return ireland's ancient holy places to the religion of the overwelming majority of its people
- save the Irish language from extinction
I give the floor to anyone who claims to have less harsh methods of doing those besides a regime of gaelic supremacy; there is nothing i would love to hear more then a realistic method of acomplishing those; please share them; I wanna hear em; having that done is more importent to me then any question of how We would have to accept the legitimacy of your objectives before suggesting alternative ways of achieving them. I don't, except for the last one. The Irish language is fairly safe from extinction. If you want to help revive it, the best thing to do is actually use it. Connacht, isn't there a danger that you're living in a timewarp? Who are these Anglicans you are talking about? Who are these Catholics? Most Irish people are agnostics or purely cultural Christians now. You talk about the injustices "we" have endured... I have endured no injustices at the hands of Anglicans and neither have you, I'm fairly sure. "The religion of the overwhelming majority of its people"... perhaps if you take a box on the census seriously. Are you simply using "Catholic" as a tribal marker? And if so, is it really worth caring about? If you take Catholicism seriously, surely you have to take seriously its injunctions to forgiveness and charity which would render your whole scheme invalid. Why should anyone want to reduce anyone to poverty? If everybody took this attitude to historical injustices, real or perceived, what would the world be like? A seething mass of racial vendettas? Why should the historical sufferings of Irish Catholics be privileged over all the other histories of suffering in the world? How are you different from the radical feminist obsessing over centuries of patriarchy, for instance? Since when does Britain "celebrate" her crimes against Ireland? Should we expel Tomas from the forum in protest at Scandinavian pillage of Ireland in the days of the Vikings?! I know I said I wouldn't engage. More fool me, probably.
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Post by eala on Mar 9, 2023 18:51:09 GMT
the unfortunate thing about language is that one person cannot shift it; i cannot suddenly decide that I want to speak a completly different language, and just do it; i loose my ability to be understood if others do not shift; that is why measures like that are usefull; they make more people do the shift at once; I should add that the use of coercian and law is a nessecary evil to me in this case; I would rather not use it, but I don't see any other realistic way to achieve this essential goal of saving and restoring our indigenous language Cinnte is féidir, ach duit féin agus do chuid, ní do chách! Da mbeadh sí a labhairt sa tig agat, no le do líonra socialta, no le duine no beirt anseo, nach mbeadh sé sin i bhfad níos torthúla na aon teoric ollmhór seo thuas
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Post by eala on Mar 9, 2023 18:55:52 GMT
part of the reason i have suggested measures that may seem harsh is that the state has been trying to use less coercive measures to restore irish for almost 100 years now; and there is some concern that it might have no native speakers left within another century; That should not be allowed to happen; so on this; if reviving the language is not done correctly it might lead to Irish dying; so I am willing to do absolutely anything that will restore the language, as we might loose our chance to save it if we don't go far enough; in such a scenario, going too far is preferable to not doing enough; that, combined with the facts about non coercive measures not restoring it; has made me feel that every step that can be taken to help Irish must be undertaken; even a measure that is not likely to work, I am going to do if it won't make things work; I hope this helps even those who disagree with me at least see the thought process behind why i advocate the militant and authoritarian re-imposition of the Irish language on our society Aon rud ar bith? Beatha teanga í a labhairt
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